MPC5000 vs Maschine

hubiedubie wrote:I own both and I work with Maschine pretty much exclusively now. So much so that the MPC5000 is up for sale. Not that it's a bad piece of gear, it's great but I'm so much more productive on Maschine.

Here's a quick rundown of the pros and cons of the 2:

MPC 5000 Pros:

1. Sound. Definitely sounds punchier than Maschine or any drum software. I don't care why it just does.
2. Timing the timing is way better than any DAW or Maschine. Also no latency issues
3. Sequencer. More fine control of the sequencer from the unit. With maschine you need to use a mouse and keyboard / monitor for this level of control.
4. One box solution: It's even got a synth, no computer required.

Maschine Pros:

1. Workflow: I can get around Maschine so much faster, editing envelopes, applying filters and effects etc is much much quicker. Everything can be done on the fly. Also you can find stuff much more quickly with the database. The MPC's interface is positively archaic in comparison.

2. Automation: Much easier on Maschine

3. Effects: The effects are far superior - the new Grain Stretcher is excellent.

4. Integration with DAW. Obviously wins this hands down - drag and drop audio or MIDI.

5. Support for 24 Bit samples.

So it seems like Maschine has won me (and clearly alot of other people) over from the MPC world. I wonder is Maschine sounding the death knell for the MPC?

Quite possibly.

However i would go back if the next MPC had the following features:

1. DAW integration like Access Virus TI: I would kill to be able to open up the MPC as a plugin and route audio to and from the DAW and have VST style automation and total recall etc. Also midi drag and drop would be fantastic to.
Access have done this and it has put them at the top of their market segment
2. Completely redesigned interface (look how fast Machinedrum and Maschine are to get around and learn).
3. Realtime Step sequencer or an XOX style sequencer.
4. Better effects.
5. Elastic audio (ie automatic BPM detection and time stretching).
6. Better screen. A colour screen would be fantastic.

I'd say unless Akai decide to radically re-architect the MPC line it's dead in the water, unfortunately.

mr_debauch wrote:first of all the saleman **** I was talking about is refering to emptysea who works for native instruments.

emptysea wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:first of all the saleman **** I was talking about is refering to emptysea who works for native instruments.

Hahaha. I wish worked for Native Instruments. One thing's for sure though. Anytime Maschine is mentioned around here, debauch gets his panties in a bunch.

By the way, it's a load of bollocks that MPC "sounds better" or has "tighter swing". People hear all kinds of stuff they want to hear.

mr_debauch wrote:

emptysea wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:first of all the saleman **** I was talking about is refering to emptysea who works for native instruments.

Hahaha. I wish worked for Native Instruments. One thing's for sure though. Anytime Maschine is mentioned around here, debauch gets his panties in a bunch.

By the way, it's a load of bollocks that MPC "sounds better" or has "tighter swing". People hear all kinds of stuff they want to hear.

no it's not when maschine is mentioned that I get my panties in a bunch... it's when ever you post.

mr_debauch wrote:If I buy maschine, I will buy it second hand specifically because NI doesn't have a cut in the second hand market.

mr_debauch wrote:buddy, I have over a dozen NI products that I downloaded for free on torrent websites.

mr_debauch wrote:you dont give a **** about mpcs, you dont even like mpcs... you only come here to promote the maschine.

emptysea wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:first of all the saleman **** I was talking about is refering to emptysea who works for native instruments.

Hahaha. I wish worked for Native Instruments. One thing's for sure though. Anytime Maschine is mentioned around here, debauch gets his panties in a bunch.

By the way, it's a load of bollocks that MPC "sounds better" or has "tighter swing". People hear all kinds of stuff they want to hear.

emptysea wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:buddy, I have over a dozen NI products that I downloaded for free on torrent websites.

Somebody report this guy. He's a thief!!!

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mr_debauch wrote:

emptysea wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:buddy, I have over a dozen NI products that I downloaded for free on torrent websites.

Somebody report this guy. He's a thief!!!

.

Report me to who? At the time I downloaded them I wasn't breaking any laws in my country.

artificial.intelligence wrote:No offense to fruity loops users.

dryad-66 wrote:So mpc sounds better/punchier and has a tighter sequencer!!!!and you choose maschine........thats a big compromise..... seeing as you can do a lot of the maschine stuff to your mpc mix in the daw,after!!!

hubiedubie wrote:

dryad-66 wrote:So mpc sounds better/punchier and has a tighter sequencer!!!!and you choose maschine........thats a big compromise..... seeing as you can do a lot of the maschine stuff to your mpc mix in the daw,after!!!

It's a compromise but the difference isn't night and day. The productivity and workflow improvements in Maschine far outweigh these advantages. For me ultimately it's about which tool allows me to make better music and make it more easily, without getting in the way and Maschine wins this hands down.

golfzerosafari wrote:

hubiedubie wrote:

dryad-66 wrote:So mpc sounds better/punchier and has a tighter sequencer!!!!and you choose maschine........thats a big compromise..... seeing as you can do a lot of the maschine stuff to your mpc mix in the daw,after!!!

It's a compromise but the difference isn't night and day. The productivity and workflow improvements in Maschine far outweigh these advantages. For me ultimately it's about which tool allows me to make better music and make it more easily, without getting in the way and Maschine wins this hands down.

I decided to not compromise the sound for workflow. I dont like microwave food, I dont

like microwave music. Somebody posted up on another forum an album done in ten days

on maschine. It sounded doodoo. No frequency separation, it sounded like one lump.

Maybe some of you guys cant tell, some of my friends cant either. I can.... and others

with healthy ears can. I will be getting an Allen & Heath mixer for all my hardware. Hit

record and all my keyboards and drum machines are on a DAW or tape. Not hard, the

features on a DAW and the sound of hardware more than makeup for the one feature I

like on Maschine, drag and drop.

golfzerosafari wrote:

hubiedubie wrote:

dryad-66 wrote:So mpc sounds better/punchier and has a tighter sequencer!!!!and you choose maschine........thats a big compromise..... seeing as you can do a lot of the maschine stuff to your mpc mix in the daw,after!!!

It's a compromise but the difference isn't night and day. The productivity and workflow improvements in Maschine far outweigh these advantages. For me ultimately it's about which tool allows me to make better music and make it more easily, without getting in the way and Maschine wins this hands down.

I decided to not compromise the sound for workflow. I dont like microwave food, I dont

like microwave music. Somebody posted up on another forum an album done in ten days

on maschine. It sounded doodoo. No frequency separation, it sounded like one lump.

Maybe some of you guys cant tell, some of my friends cant either. I can.... and others

with healthy ears can. I will be getting an Allen & Heath mixer for all my hardware. Hit

record and all my keyboards and drum machines are on a DAW or tape. Not hard, the

features on a DAW and the sound of hardware more than makeup for the one feature I

like on Maschine, drag and drop.