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stereo pan

By andy66 Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:27 am
what happens when i pan a stereo sample in the mixer to the outer right or left? will the sum of both channels be played on the left or will only the left channel of the sample be played on the left.. quite basic question i know
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Re: stereo pan

By otobot Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:54 pm
The sum of both channels will be played from one side. As you gradually pan one side to the the opposite side it will be more and more added to that signal. This is how it works in every mixer (analog or digital/software). There are differences between different mixers in their "Panning Law", but that's another story.
There are plugins that do the other thing you described. There the panned signal isn't summed to the other side, but subtracted from it's own side... there was one from a dev called BetaBugs afaik.
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Re: stereo pan

By otobot Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:42 am
Cheers. But you know what, I could have been wrong... at least on the 500 it seems to be the other way. I was preparing a set for a show on the 500 tonight and had recorded a stereo sample with the signal only on the left side. As I panned the signal nothing appeared on the right side, the sample only got lower in volume on the left side. No summing to the panned side, but subtraction from the original side. I have to check with my 5000 tomorrow. I was sure on the 5000 it's like any other mixer I know. I'll report back!

Re: stereo pan

By andy66 Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:46 am
i just checked it myself.. you are wrong! dj mixers might be different, but the mpc behavior seems consistent from 500 to 5000. i def gotta consider that when using stereo samples in future
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Re: stereo pan

By otobot Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:10 pm
Yeah, true, just checked with my 5K too. Subtraction of the panned signal. Good we know now :lol:
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Re: stereo pan

By Lampdog Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:56 pm
otobot wrote:The sum of both channels will be played from one side. .....This is how it works in every mixer (analog or digital/software).

Nope, who told you that, lmao.

In a stereo sample, if you pan to the left you only get left. If you pan to the right you only get right. That is a universal for stereo anything. :D
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Re: stereo pan

By otobot Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:30 pm
Lampdog wrote:
otobot wrote:The sum of both channels will be played from one side. .....This is how it works in every mixer (analog or digital/software).

Nope, who told you that, lmao.

In a stereo sample, if you pan to the left you only get left. If you pan to the right you only get right. That is a universal for stereo anything. :D


Yeah, if you read again, and also the content you left out, that's what I said. I said "The sum of both channels will be played from one side. As you gradually pan one side to the the opposite side it will be more and more added to that signal." Of course it's clear that I meant, the sum of both channels is played from one side if you pan everything to that side.
In any normal mixer, be it analog or digital in a DAW, if you pan a side (let's say the left side) all the way to the other (right) side, it gets summed to that side and will be heard from that (right) side.

In a 'normal' mixer's stereo channel if there's only a signal in one of the stereo channels, it will pan over to the other side and not disappear.

What we found out in this thread is, that when you have a stereo sample in the MPC that contains only a signal on one side, if you pan that signal all the way to the other side passing the center mark, it will be subtracted from its original side and will gradually disappear and be totally inaudible when panned 100% to that side.

I was wrong at first to assume the MPC's mixer works like a 'normal' mixer.
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Re: stereo pan

By Lampdog Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:03 pm
otobot wrote:What we found out in this thread is, that when you have a stereo sample in the MPC that contains only a signal on one side, if you pan that signal all the way to the other side passing the center mark, it will be subtracted from its original side and will gradually disappear and be totally inaudible when panned 100% to that side.


Stereo sample (doesn't have to contain info on both channels) will be panned to whichever side you choose and that side/channel will only be hear on that pan.

You just said the same thing I said.

But ok, it's all you.
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Re: stereo pan

By otobot Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:11 pm
Lampdog wrote:
otobot wrote:What we found out in this thread is, that when you have a stereo sample in the MPC that contains only a signal on one side, if you pan that signal all the way to the other side passing the center mark, it will be subtracted from its original side and will gradually disappear and be totally inaudible when panned 100% to that side.


Stereo sample (doesn't have to contain info on both channels) will be panned to whichever side you choose and that side/channel will only be hear on that pan.

You just said the same thing I said.

But ok, it's all you.


Yeah, I said the same thing.... whatever man, here we have 2 fundamentally different approaches to panning. The way the MP does it and the way a 'normal mixer' does it. English is not my native language, sorry if I come across complicated.
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Re: stereo pan

By Lampdog Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:25 pm
No need to be sorry man, I understand you perfectly and we both agree on this same issue but at
different angles on this. :lol:

It's all good. :D
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