I know the 5000 guys will love this LOL

Over on the 4000 forum one of our biggest 5000 haters was looking for a way to...... Use one of the 5000's features that isn't very easy to set up on the 4000.

MoreBuck$ wrote:The only good thing about the 5000 was the round robin IMHO

They are up to 3 pages over there but I think they have found some type of work around...... But how easy is it on the 5000 to set up cycle mode?

I'm not trying to start another mpc vs mpc, but I know many of us get tired of the negative comments made about the 5000. Especially when it's someone who always comes over here talkin' smack LOL

In this video @ 1:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdjP0dVJ-Zg

I dont really see what the point of this thread is TBH.

Pad cycle is a native feature implemented in the 5000 OS, so it is very easy to set up and requires no brains. I think the 5000 was the first MPC to have this feature, but it's been available in soft samplers like NI Battery for some time.

The MPC4000 is ten years old now, pad cycle wasn't built into the OS in the same way but using the 4000's mod matrix the alternative solution is more flexible and creative than the 5000 pad cycle.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=148369

Mike L has also found a way to set up pad cycle on the MPC1000 with JJOS and posted a video in that forum.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=148300

I know Clint.
My point was that same guy comes on the 5000 section talkin bad about the 5000 all the time..... He's on here so much he must of figured he'd try to set up a cycle mode on his 4000 ( after seeing it being used on the 5000 ) & was having problems doing it.
I just got a little kick out of it that's all.

Ah OK Dan, I'll let dude respond when he sees this.

I personally wouldn't knock the 5000 and I'd love to borrow one for a week or two...

Dan L wrote:I know Clint.
My point was that same guy comes on the 5000 section talkin bad about the 5000 all the time..... He's on here so much he must of figured he'd try to set up a cycle mode on his 4000 ( after seeing it being used on the 5000 ) & was having problems doing it.
I just got a little kick out of it that's all.

I have seen a little little bit of stuff on people using cycling (or how ever you call it) and I cant seem to wrap my head around why that feature is so ground breaking and praised... okay maybe it would be interesting for some random sample triggering but the "1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4" aspect of it.. it seems like lazyness and lack of hand-eye coordination that makes most use of it.. correct me if i'm wrong.

mr_debauch wrote:

Dan L wrote:I know Clint.
My point was that same guy comes on the 5000 section talkin bad about the 5000 all the time..... He's on here so much he must of figured he'd try to set up a cycle mode on his 4000 ( after seeing it being used on the 5000 ) & was having problems doing it.
I just got a little kick out of it that's all.

I have seen a little little bit of stuff on people using cycling (or how ever you call it) and I cant seem to wrap my head around why that feature is so ground breaking and praised... okay maybe it would be interesting for some random sample triggering but the "1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4" aspect of it.. it seems like lazyness and lack of hand-eye coordination that makes most use of it.. correct me if i'm wrong.

I know a use case where the 5K's cycle mode is perfect

There is a 808 sample set for NI Battery on the net by a guy called LonDonsen. Each 808 module (BD, SD, Clap, etc.) is sampled in 16 variations of the same setting. There's very slight change in each of the variations because an analog generated drum never sounds 100 percent the same each time it's triggered. You only notice the slight variance when you trigger like 8 or 16 in a row. That's also one of the reasons a static sampled 808 set never sounds like a real 808.

With the 5K's cycle mode you can put 4 of those slightly different samples per 808 sound on a pad and cycle continously or randomly through. You won't believe until you experience it yourself how much more real the 808 set sounds than with static sampling even if only 4 variations are used.

otobot wrote:
With the 5K's cycle mode you can put 4 of those slightly different samples per 808 sound on a pad and cycle continously or randomly through. You won't believe until you experience it yourself how much more real the 808 set sounds than with static sampling even if only 4 variations are used.

i get the idea of using multiple samples to create a better vibe than one single static sample and why that works the way it does... I just dont get why anyone would go through so much trouble to set it up on the 4k (which i'm guessing they are trying to mimic a pad setup it doesn't normally have)(which i'm guessing takes quite some work) when they could simply have each separate sample on different pads anyways.. or hell with the amount of ram that machine has.... make an entire bank of 808s if needed (supposing we are talking about the same example)

it just seems like a lot of trouble for something that doesn't effect the sound (unless i'm missing something?)

mr_debauch wrote:

otobot wrote:
With the 5K's cycle mode you can put 4 of those slightly different samples per 808 sound on a pad and cycle continously or randomly through. You won't believe until you experience it yourself how much more real the 808 set sounds than with static sampling even if only 4 variations are used.

i get the idea of using multiple samples to create a better vibe than one single static sample and why that works the way it does... I just dont get why anyone would go through so much trouble to set it up on the 4k (which i'm guessing they are trying to mimic a pad setup it doesn't normally have)(which i'm guessing takes quite some work) when they could simply have each separate sample on different pads anyways.. or hell with the amount of ram that machine has.... make an entire bank of 808s if needed (supposing we are talking about the same example)

it just seems like a lot of trouble for something that doesn't effect the sound (unless i'm missing something?)

Well, you asked why that feature on the 5K is so good. On the 4K it seems to be a lot of trouble to set it up, sure. Would you rather have one program with one pad group and 16 pads to mimic a 808 or each time you play a drum sound, hit 1 of 4 pads randomly and switch between pad groups to access more than 4 drum sounds at a time?

Oh, it does affect the sound. Watch LonDonsen's Kit in Battery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLnvtX2Sng4

Listen for the difference between round robin on and off.

^ Thats a good idea. I haven't used random with drums yet so now I'm gonna have to try it. I usually do drums with full level off to give it a better feel. But this sounds fun.

With the 5K's cycle mode you can put 4 of those slightly different samples per 808 sound on a pad and cycle continously or randomly through. You won't believe until you experience it yourself how much more real the 808 set sounds than with static sampling even if only 4 variations are used.

i was of mr. debauch's opinion before i read this post, but this sounds interesting actually! sure it woths a try