MPC5000 reviews, bug reports and fellow user support on the most recent standalone, hardware MPC from Akai
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By sally Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:23 pm
Ill-Green wrote: I know he lied but... with a dev team of only 5 people at Nukai, .....that their products are incomplete? For the last 5 years Nukai been sleeping and dreaming on their clients because they are drunk with the Akai MPC brand name like its the sacred word of the kabbala.


^^^ :nod: ^^^
MPC-Tutor wrote:I'm not convinced that even 10% of 5000 owners would be interested in this.


Pues...
Yo estoy convencido que el 10% de los actuales no propietarios del 5000 podrian estar interesados en comprarlo* ( que ya es decir ).

* ( tal cual, aun sin joysticks... )
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By Jauly Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:04 pm
To restore faith in stand alone hardware, continuous updates of the OS should be part of the future. The update/upgrade-ability was the plus that moved people from studio hardware DAWs to computer based systems.

I would not mind to pay for those (MPC) updates. Additional features cost money. You pay for JJ updates (nobody complains) and you pay for new music software versions of (for example) ableton, even if you payed the full price before (nobody complains there as well). This is way better than to complain all the time about not further developed and expensive hardware (which is a reason to complain indeed).
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By psr Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:02 am
Jauly wrote:To restore faith in stand alone hardware, continuous updates of the OS should be part of the future. The update/upgrade-ability was the plus that moved people from studio hardware DAWs to computer based systems.

I would not mind to pay for those (MPC) updates. Additional features cost money. You pay for JJ updates (nobody complains) and you pay for new music software versions of (for example) ableton, even if you payed the full price before (nobody complains there as well). This is way better than to complain all the time about not further developed and expensive hardware (which is a reason to complain indeed).


You know what, Jauly? thats a good perspective. Seeing it that way i agree.
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By Kaia Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:12 am
psr wrote:5000K wouldnt that make it a 5M



:lol: ahha i didn't know how to change the topic's title 8)
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By Kaia Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:28 am
I love my 5k and i will not sell it :) i just wanted to improve it anyway like i said before there's no harm in trying 8)
By high198 Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:30 am
I would pay......
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By MPC-Tutor Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:56 am
high198 wrote:I would pay......


I wouldn't pay for bug fixes for any product.

I would not mind to pay for those (MPC) updates. Additional features cost money. You pay for JJ updates (nobody complains) and you pay for new music software versions of (for example) ableton, even if you payed the full price before (nobody complains there as well). This is way better than to complain all the time about not further developed and expensive hardware (which is a reason to complain indeed).


The hardware business model has always had this problem, but there's no reason why it should continue to have it. Release the hardware, then make sure all features are working as they should be with all bugs fixed, then people should have no complaints if an 'optional' but paid OS upgrade is made available. It's the exact same business model as software.

I don't think any reasonable person is going to complain if they are asked to pay extra for features that were never included nor promised when they purchased the unit (although some people just like complaining!).

The key is that all the bugs are fixed and all features originally advertised are present and working correctly before there's any talk of charging for upgrades. That way people can choose to just use the hardware with the feature set it had when they bought it, or pay to get some newer features. It's also important that the manufacturer is clear in their marketing regarding the policy of updates and upgrades so people know exactly what they are buying into in the first place.

I'm not entirely sure why Akai never went down this route in the first place, because the model they adopted meant they only ever made money from the initial sale (and nothing from second hand sales) - the only way to continue to make money was to just keep on making completely new hardware, hence the viscous circle of never having the resources to fix problems with the existing models.
By CoinOP! Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:38 am
AkaiPro is such a **** company with the worst businessmodel. Always listen to your customers!!! You had a solid brandname and legacy which you manage to f#ck up with gimmicky products.

That's why I don't buy any of their products anymore and advice people looking for equipment not to go for AkaiPro.

They released a Ren controller, way too late, nobody has been asking for. Now they spending tons of money on artists to promote this overpriced POS.

Hardware is coming back, more and more producers want out of the box music making. Akaipro made a big mistake abandoning their legacy.
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By Ian Canefire Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:27 pm
What MPC tutor says is somewhat correct. Bugs should be fixed. Advertised features that do not work correctly are a source for litigation. It is simple commercial law. (don't make me dig through those old notes)

Now, I tend not to read the long contracts that come with my music gear, so the caveat to my statement would be that one or a class could have possibly given up the right to sue in the contract. There could be a clause that says "bugs are inevitable so we will try our best...." you get my point.

Courts actually understand that the masses don't read that stuff and they tend to take this into account. So I am sure there actually is a possibility for legal action. It would only be worth it for a bunch of people to find a class action specialist attorney. Unless one of you is wealthy enough to foot the bill and the possible loss in court.

cheers,
Ian

PS " I have a roland MC909 and it is supposed to be able to "mute control" other gear and a fundamental switch for that purpose does not work. It is on the main patch screen and somehow they did not code it. Unbelievable! If your smart phone did not do something you better believe an attorney would be on that in a heart beat if the company just decided not to fix it - because of the large class of individuals. Get yourselves in contact some wealthy "oil-money" Akai users and get them to litigate this. lol....or just complain.
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By Jauly Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:25 am
MPC-Tutor wrote:
high198 wrote:I would pay......


I wouldn't pay for bug fixes for any product.



Bug fixes have to bee free of course.
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By wellfunk Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:50 pm
I want the OS to be open-source. In my mind it's just wrong that now that I have bought this product I don't get privilege to open up the software and see how it works. Here I have a solid piece of hardware, but I can only access it through the software it got handed to me with. And that bugs the **** out of me :x Not because this is a bad product, frankly I love it, but because I see this thing and see a TON of possibilities. But that's as far as it gets now... -.-

As I see it there is a reason why you have software instead of complicated hardware programming, and that's the versatility you get with programmable code. All you need is a computer and you can make something completely new out of an old product.

Release it! Open-source for the win! :-D
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By NorthernElite Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:03 pm
Hey guys, long time since I've posted here, just checked back for old time sake - Think the chances of an updated OS from AKAI is pretty unlikely unfortunately. The 5K had so much potential but just seemed to get abandoned for the new PC/iPad based products - But things move on and it's a real shame. Do the guys from Akai still post on here, they certainly used to and were a good bunch of guys, perhaps something else that's been lost with time.