New MPC5000 at NAMM...

And I'll wait it out for the upcoming 6k or whatever's due to come out after the 5k (nothing personal, I just don't like to jump on first generation test gear. Even though it'll probably be an upgrade from the 5k which will have 24 bit and all). It's slated to have some very, very nice features that'll go good with my setup too. Plus it's probably the only other MPC that'll really be packed with features & worth getting IMO. So stay tune for the next NAMM...

dabmeister wrote:And I'll wait it out for the upcoming 6k or whatever's due to come out after the 5k (nothing personal, I just don't like to jump on first generation test gear. Even though it'll probably be an upgrade from the 5k which will have 24 bit and all). It's slated to have some very, very nice features that'll go good with my setup too. Plus it's probably the only other MPC that'll really be packed with features & worth getting IMO. So stay tune for the next NAMM...

First generation test gear? It seems you are not familar with the MPC 2500/1000 which appear to be what the MPC 5000 is based upon. Also, if you don't jump on first generation test gear...you have an MPC 4000 no?

And unless Akai does the opposite of what they've done in the past, you won't see a major new MPC until 2011...unless they drop an MPC 5000XL which you could possibly see in 2010

The Namm show said the 5000 has all of the features of the 4000 plus, plus more. I don't know. I'll have to see more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMMcYFOE ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux0uX2-Bt80&NR=1

According to the latest documentation, it doesn't have all the features of the MPC 4000. That product specialist is wrong based off that.

Just checking out the videos on it. The specs are short of the 4000. Trying to be positive about the unit. Not sure if it's something that my production or workflow.

bomb beats wrote:Just checking out the videos on it. The specs are short of the 4000. Trying to be positive about the unit. Not sure if it's something that my production or workflow.

Yes, the technical specs far short of the MPC 4000 like every other MPC made in the past 20 years. Hurry up and get an MPC 4000 before they cost you $4000

OJ Reem wrote:

dabmeister wrote:And I'll wait it out for the upcoming 6k or whatever's due to come out after the 5k (nothing personal, I just don't like to jump on first generation test gear. Even though it'll probably be an upgrade from the 5k which will have 24 bit and all). It's slated to have some very, very nice features that'll go good with my setup too. Plus it's probably the only other MPC that'll really be packed with features & worth getting IMO. So stay tune for the next NAMM...

First generation test gear? It seems you are not familar with the MPC 2500/1000 which appear to be what the MPC 5000 is based upon. Also, if you don't jump on first generation test gear...you have an MPC 4000 no?

And unless Akai does the opposite of what they've done in the past, you won't see a major new MPC until 2011...unless they drop an MPC 5000XL which you could possibly see in 2010

To be honest, how long had the Z-8 been out before the original Akai company decided to produce the 4k? So I wouldn't consider that to be first generation unlike the 5k which isn't as close to being a 2500 other than being more physical in looks than sharing it's core engine. Does the 5k share any core engine features from the 2500 or is this the first for it to brandish a "new" engine under it's newer parent company (Newmark-Alesis) They just don't make 'em like they use to (in terms of QUALITY). So it sounds like you're in the run for Alesis quality products my friend. The companies of old have been bought out by their new heirs and thus are skimping on kraftmanship these days. The name of the game now is low cost in labor, cheaper parts (especially the converters, which is the signature of ones sound), and anything that helps them save more on their end than on the consumers...am I right? So how much do you think it really cost them to build a 5k, $500, $1000, $1500? Then you tack on marketing and it's up to the consumer to take the brunt of the rest...ain't that how they do it? So bottom line, who's the one that's really getting beat in this equation here?

dabmeister wrote:

OJ Reem wrote:

dabmeister wrote:And I'll wait it out for the upcoming 6k or whatever's due to come out after the 5k (nothing personal, I just don't like to jump on first generation test gear. Even though it'll probably be an upgrade from the 5k which will have 24 bit and all). It's slated to have some very, very nice features that'll go good with my setup too. Plus it's probably the only other MPC that'll really be packed with features & worth getting IMO. So stay tune for the next NAMM...

First generation test gear? It seems you are not familar with the MPC 2500/1000 which appear to be what the MPC 5000 is based upon. Also, if you don't jump on first generation test gear...you have an MPC 4000 no?

And unless Akai does the opposite of what they've done in the past, you won't see a major new MPC until 2011...unless they drop an MPC 5000XL which you could possibly see in 2010

To be honest, how long had the Z-8 been out before the original Akai company decided to produce the 4k? So I wouldn't consider that to be first generation unlike the 5k which isn't as close to being a 2500 other than being more physical in looks than sharing it's core engine. Does the 5k share any core engine features from the 2500 or is this the first for it to brandish a "new" engine under it's newer parent company (Newmark-Alesis) They just don't make 'em like they use to (in terms of QUALITY). So it sounds like you're in the run for Alesis quality products my friend. The companies of old have been bought out by their new heirs and thus are skimping on kraftmanship these days. The name of the game now is low cost in labor, cheaper parts (especially the converters, which is the signature of ones sound), and anything that helps them save more on their end than on the consumers...am I right? So how much do you think it really cost them to build a 5k, $500, $1000, $1500? Then you tack on marketing and it's up to the consumer to take the brunt of the rest...ain't that how they do it? So bottom line, who's the one that's really getting beat in this equation here?

They Z series samplers and the MPC 4000 were developed together and released about the same time. You may have been able to get one or the other first depending on where you lived. But both came out in 2002. Everything is nearly identical all the way down to the expansion options. You really did buy a "first generation" product.

The MPC 5000 isn't the first MPC under Akai's new parent company. The MPC 5000 does to the MPC 2500 as the 2000 XL did to the MPC 2000. The MPC 5000 uses much of the same hardware down to the CD-R/DVD drive. The quality in that area appears to be just fine. The operating system appears to be indentical. The Akai reps say that the MPC 5000 has a new engine. Until I actually use this MPC I can't make a judgement on the engine but if it sounds as good or better than my MPC 2500 (which is identical to the 1000), I can live with that. There is no need to talk converters because this has been documented thoroughly where people couldn't tell the difference between the MPC 3000 and 2500.

We can talk labor and marketing all day. But what does this have to do with getting an MPC and making music with it? Nobody is getting "beat". You go to the store and try out the new products. If you like them, buy it. If you don't, then pass on it. Akai is not forcing you to buy anything.

if you see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flMURxRZ ... re=related

and you have the 1000 with JJ OS2, the new features kinda make you laugh.

Come on Numark, give us an mpc with 4 band eq and dynamics per pad / track. COME ON!

fritzifratzi wrote:if you see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flMURxRZ ... re=related

and you have the 1000 with JJ OS2, the new features kinda make you laugh.

Come on Numark, give us an mpc with 4 band eq and dynamics per pad / track. COME ON!

I wouldn't say the new features of the JJ OS2 are laughable. Once the "bugs' are ironed out, its look promising. What I do like is that these features will be in the MPC 5000 and won't be limited as those in the MPC 2500/1000 where they have to remove some features in order to add others.

I meant the new features in the mpc5000 are a laugh because many of them exist already in the JJ OS2. Sorry

fritzifratzi wrote:I meant the new features in the mpc5000 are a laugh because many of them exist already in the JJ OS2. Sorry

I knew exactly what you meant..just teasing. Of course the JJ OS has features that the MPC 5000 has...that is what they have been using for several years to beta test this MPC. So keep at it so my MPC 5000 would be a solid machine.

I really appreciate you guys...

hey funny guy, if u wanna pay the extra dosh, go for it...

I Get Money as you kids say.....so yes, I am buying the MPC 5000 as I have stated numerous times. But why are you worrying about me or even care what the MPC 5000 does if you hate, hate Akai, don't think it is worth the money, feel it is an inferior product, feel that it is an insult to call in the MPC 5000, or all the other reasons being talked about here....

In general I feel positive about Akai/Numark pushing the hardware side of things. It's fun and exciting. I just would feel much more inclined buying a new mpc if it had EQ and dynamix per pad. Having a synth in the machine is all fair and square but being able to properly EQ and mix within the machine would be much more of an incentive to me. That's all.

A few assignable fx is too stingy by today's standard. Reminds me of having a yamaha promix with a few compressors in the old days when nowadays they all have dynamix per channel. If Yamaha can do it, Akai should be able to do it, no?

Also: Why not produce an mpc that can use vst plugins or so, assignable to pads, now that would be something, no?