Note Time/Position? (Due to lack of Step Edit)

MaZe wrote:

Ill-Green wrote:

Akai Am wrote:Step Edit? We don't need no stinking step edit.

The only input these fortune 500 producers putted in was for the design of the controller. The software was a rehash of the MPC5000 OS. Dan said.

The 5000 doesn't have Step Edit/Grid Edit? The 5000 doesn't have a proper Pad Assign including the ability to change Midi Note numbers? I'm not trolling. I have no experience with it and I am genuinely interested.

Yes the 5000 has all of that.

MPC-Tutor wrote:
Chromatic could be done by using a keygroup program with single note keygroup ranges (I believe disabling KEY TRACK would keep the pads chromatic for drum sounds).

Chromatic DRUM programs can be created by loading a previously adjusted legacy PGM or 50s file (although this would only cover half the Ren's pads), or by manually editing the XML in the XPM file.

Ah got it. Seems like a lot of counter intuitive work as opposed to on the 4K you can go into pad assign and select Chromatic or, adjust the midi note numbers.

MaZe wrote:Ah got it. Seems like a lot of counter intuitive work as opposed to on the 4K you can go into pad assign and select Chromatic or, adjust the midi note numbers.

Yes, these are just workarounds - ATM, there's been no consideration in the MPC Software for the possibility that someone would want to assign different MIDI notes to the pads in a DRUM program. Not sure why it wasn't there from the start (considering it's a core legacy feature), but I'm sure they had their reasons.

Again, I'd expect to see this eventually - if it's not already submitted as a feature request, I do it myself later today.

Ill-Green wrote:The only input these fortune 500 producers putted in was for the design of the controller. The software was a rehash of the MPC5000 OS. Dan said.

Thing is, the controller design isn't particularly different in essence to any MPC before it, e.g. compare to the MPC5000:

Tilt screen middle top, pads in middle, transport buttons bottom right, cursor/data wheel on the right hand side, usual suspects at the back. Swap out the sliders for another 8 qlink dials and you have the Ren, but with less outs, a smaller screen and a lower profile.

Did they really need some of the greatest hip hop producers of all time to tell them to 'just copy the layout of the 5000'?

MPC-Tutor wrote:Did they really need some of the greatest hip hop producers of all time to tell them to 'just copy the layout of the 5000'?

no, you are right.
but it sure helps move units on day one.

Every feature typically found on hardware MPCs should be included as well as features specific to the MPC 4000 and 5000.

BPM detect (which only seemed to work in the 2000/2000XL)....should return.

JAH wrote:Every feature typically found on hardware MPCs should be included as well as features specific to the MPC 4000 and 5000.

BPM detect (which only seemed to work in the 2000/2000XL)....should return.

Should or WILL?

MaZe wrote:

JAH wrote:Every feature typically found on hardware MPCs should be included as well as features specific to the MPC 4000 and 5000.

BPM detect (which only seemed to work in the 2000/2000XL)....should return.

Should or WILL?

Hope.....

I have no MPC experience at all but I worked fro years with a Roland MV8000 where
we had such kind of editors:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/DxV6o7n.jpg
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In the MV Pianorol you can select one event and dial in the velocity or note position with the value dial.

You also have the possibility to enter velocity values by hitting a pad!
In combination with 16 Levels you can create awesome easy precise velocity progressions, which is currently with the mouse quite tedious.

In Studio one it looks like this:


Something like this in the MPC Software would be awesome!

AnSolas wrote:I have no MPC experience at all but I worked fro years with a Roland MV8000 where
we had such kind of editors:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/DxV6o7n.jpg
[/img]



In the MV Pianorol you can select one event and dial in the velocity or note position with the value dial.

You also have the possibility to enter velocity values by hitting a pad!
In combination with 16 Levels you can create awesome easy precise velocity progressions, which is currently with the mouse quite tedious.

In Studio one it looks like this:


Something like this in the MPC Software would be awesome!

Both of these examples accomplish the same thing as the traditional MPC Step Edit mode.

Probably it could be looks like this:

I posted a feature suggestion:

http://community.akaipro.com/akai_profe ... _daw-awidf

Numerical display note nudging is one of the best kept producer secrets. You get in the habit of moving particular bass notes, hats, snares etc back or forward by an exact amount of ticks. Its a feature that was included in the very first sequencers and then carried forward for years until around 2000 when new developers with no clue of musicians needs started pushing it to the back as an after thought - Ableton Live for example still doesn't have this feature. Moving notes around is essential in many genres for groove/feel.

Currently you can use the arrows to slide notes in beats and if you hold down the shift key the notes will move in ticks. At least the Ren has that - but a more comprehensive implementation combined with numerical display and nudge divisions set to samples/ticks/ms/beats would be the icing on the cake.

Of all the Daws and sequencers out there the best nudge feature for audio and midi is Pro Tools.

AnSolas wrote:I posted a feature suggestion:

http://community.akaipro.com/akai_profe ... _daw-awidf

This is exactly what Step Edit is and why everyone is asking for it.

labcoats wrote:Numerical display note nudging is one of the best kept producer secrets. You get in the habit of moving particular bass notes, hats, snares etc back or forward by an exact amount of ticks. Its a feature that was included in the very first sequencers and then carried forward for years until around 2000 when new developers with no clue of musicians needs started pushing it to the back as an after thought - Ableton Live for example still doesn't have this feature. Moving notes around is essential in many genres for groove/feel.

Currently you can use the arrows to slide notes in beats and if you hold down the shift key the notes will move in ticks. At least the Ren has that - but a more comprehensive implementation combined with numerical display and nudge divisions set to samples/ticks/ms/beats would be the icing on the cake.

Of all the Daws and sequencers out there the best nudge feature for audio and midi is Pro Tools.

I spend more time in Step Edit/Grid Edit on the 4000 than I do in any other screen.

And with that said, now I understand why some people say, "I just do that in the computer after it's tracked." Having never made a beat on a computer/DAW I never understood nudging/editing notes in a DAW because I've always done that in the MPC. Now that I see how music is made in a DAW/Maschine/Ren, I understand why people say this. Still, I prefer to do that in the box with Step Edit.