Assigning a plugin to a pad forces it into submix – a featur

Yeah, the effects on pad go straight to submix is annoying as @@@k. Even more annoying is that you have to export the submix separately when exporting tracks.

As far as the track mixers on sequences though, I know I am in the minority, but however they fix it, I hope they give us the option to still work with it as is. The MPC is the only software in which currently I can set different effects and levels for tracks on different sequences without serious automation. If I want the piano in one sequence to have a phaser, and in the next have a bit crusher, it's as easy as cake. I can get sound variations very easily by using different plugins on tracks across different sequences. However AKAI decides to update and "fix" the track mixer, I hope they let us keep the option of using it as is. I think it would be easy for them to put a global switch on the track mixer, and if you hit the global switch, the settings of that sequence's track mixer are set for all sequences. Not much different then what happens if you convert a song to sequence with the track mixer of the first sequence in the song.

But the effected pads being sent automatically to a submit... So annoying.

I hold firm to the idea that adding more submixes (at least double) and allowing us to place inserts on them would solve this issue.

wouldnt that make them just like normal channels but just look different
I think having sub mixes just overcomplicates things you have no meter for a start and when doing drums its not like that isnt something youll need


those sub mixes could be used like ableton sends you throw effects on them and then just use the mix button so if they added a mix for the returns on the track it would save some cpu

also I noticed an option to include sub sub mixes in your export so at least you can bounce them with everything else

would just make much more sense if it appears like a normal channel rather than a small round knob with no metering and no additional fx

Fanu wrote:Well, at least Pete's Twitter update today says "Back on the MPC train. Let's see what the latest build does..."

I'll soon be getting an MPC 4000 which seems to have several features the Ren is missing. I'll still keep my Ren as I definitely like it to an extent and have accepted the fact that I'm an early adopter.

And I assume you know that the MPC 4000s isn't capable of doing quite a few things that you can accomplish on the Ren...it doesn't have a Track Mixer, Pad Insert FXs, Submixer, Recycle-styled chopping, host VST/AUs, etc.

JAH wrote:And I assume you know that the MPC 4000s isn't capable of doing quite a few things that you can accomplish on the Ren...it doesn't have a Track Mixer, Pad Insert FXs, Submixer, Recycle-styled chopping, host VST/AUs, etc.

I'm quite sure he knows, and I bet he only really misses VST/AU-part. I'll bet few of those features you mentioned are the reason he's switching up...

JAH wrote:

Fanu wrote:Well, at least Pete's Twitter update today says "Back on the MPC train. Let's see what the latest build does..."

I'll soon be getting an MPC 4000 which seems to have several features the Ren is missing. I'll still keep my Ren as I definitely like it to an extent and have accepted the fact that I'm an early adopter.

And I assume you know that the MPC 4000s isn't capable of doing quite a few things that you can accomplish on the Ren...it doesn't have a Track Mixer, Pad Insert FXs, Submixer, Recycle-styled chopping, host VST/AUs, etc.

Yes, I know that, and I hardly miss those things.
I got the device last night, fired up my first beat, and within two hours I was feeling that the 4000 is by far the best MPC I've used (I've made stuff with 2000 XL, 2500, and Ren+Studio). Especially after only working on with the Ren for the past two months, some things felt very welcome.
Not having plug-ins can be a good thing; imho, stuff always sounds more organic and more golden-era-hip-hop-ish when you don't get the plugins into the mix.
For chopping, if I chop longer breaks, I use BeatCleaver, and just save the chops on a USB stick and feed them into the 4000. Quick.

You can easily add/subtract additional gain in the sample edit page by pressing the "gain change" button. Hope this is what you are looking for?

TonyBordelo wrote:You can easily add/subtract additional gain in the sample edit page by pressing the "gain change" button. Hope this is what you are looking for?

I use that a lot, but sometimes you don't want to push it too loud to avoid distortion.

Fanu wrote:

JAH wrote:

Fanu wrote:Well, at least Pete's Twitter update today says "Back on the MPC train. Let's see what the latest build does..."

I'll soon be getting an MPC 4000 which seems to have several features the Ren is missing. I'll still keep my Ren as I definitely like it to an extent and have accepted the fact that I'm an early adopter.

And I assume you know that the MPC 4000s isn't capable of doing quite a few things that you can accomplish on the Ren...it doesn't have a Track Mixer, Pad Insert FXs, Submixer, Recycle-styled chopping, host VST/AUs, etc.

Yes, I know that, and I hardly miss those things.
I got the device last night, fired up my first beat, and within two hours I was feeling that the 4000 is by far the best MPC I've used (I've made stuff with 2000 XL, 2500, and Ren+Studio). Especially after only working on with the Ren for the past two months, some things felt very welcome.
Not having plug-ins can be a good thing; imho, stuff always sounds more organic and more golden-era-hip-hop-ish when you don't get the plugins into the mix.
For chopping, if I chop longer breaks, I use BeatCleaver, and just save the chops on a USB stick and feed them into the 4000. Quick.

im envious of your new purchase. i have wanted one of those for ever! I never made the jump for some reason. (from 2KXL to 4000) by the time my coin started flowing the damn Maschine came out. then a year later we got the ren announcement. well, after my move off grid in the sticks i may have to get it to keep my power consumption down. is what id tell the old lady is the excuse...

so is the sampler not adequate for chopping? that doesnt seem right.

AyePee wrote:wouldnt that make them just like normal channels but just look different
I think having sub mixes just overcomplicates things you have no meter for a start and when doing drums its not like that isnt something youll need


those sub mixes could be used like ableton sends you throw effects on them and then just use the mix button so if they added a mix for the returns on the track it would save some cpu

also I noticed an option to include sub sub mixes in your export so at least you can bounce them with everything else

would just make much more sense if it appears like a normal channel rather than a small round knob with no metering and no additional fx

I agree they should look like normal tracks and also include insert slots for FX. This would allow them to to be used as group channels or aux busses. You could say for example route any sound from any program in any sequence with or without FX to them. So you could have FX on any drum sound then still apply FX to any set of sounds as a group as well between any set of sequences. This would allow flexible FX inserts without changing anything about the current functionality. A simple and effective solution to the problem.

Fanu, you mentioned resampling with fx as a reason you got the 4000 but that is working fine on the Ren. I do a ton of resampling with the fx on with no hassle.

Much of your other reasons are still valid though. The MPC4000 is considered a classic for a reason and it's one of those machines that rightly deserves its title.

How you getting on with it?

Even if I export tracks, the pads forced to submixes (as described in the initial post) don't get exported at all.

How do you export the submixes then? (EDIT: Found it).

Even if you took a plugin off a pad, you can't change it back to main outs.

Oh, I see: you have to switch insert to OFF (even if you remove all plugins) before you can route the pad to track mix again – simply removing all plugins isn't enough.

Good to know; thanks to Pete Goodliffe!

audiounity111 wrote:Yeah, the effects on pad go straight to submix is annoying as @@@k. Even more annoying is that you have to export the submix separately when exporting tracks.

As far as the track mixers on sequences though, I know I am in the minority, but however they fix it, I hope they give us the option to still work with it as is. The MPC is the only software in which currently I can set different effects and levels for tracks on different sequences without serious automation. If I want the piano in one sequence to have a phaser, and in the next have a bit crusher, it's as easy as cake. I can get sound variations very easily by using different plugins on tracks across different sequences. However AKAI decides to update and "fix" the track mixer, I hope they let us keep the option of using it as is. I think it would be easy for them to put a global switch on the track mixer, and if you hit the global switch, the settings of that sequence's track mixer are set for all sequences. Not much different then what happens if you convert a song to sequence with the track mixer of the first sequence in the song.

But the effected pads being sent automatically to a submit... So annoying.

I just encountered this...and wanted to echo the sentiments above being that I have yet to see a fix in version 1.6. I just got the Ren coming from an original 3000 and I couldn't be happier comparatively...but whatever fix is made I hope it's fixed with an option instead of a replacement in feature.

There's flexibility in how it currently works now.

Yeah, the option to switch up mixer function/set up is definitely how we need the Ren set up. This way we get the best of both worlds.