Saint Joe At Akai Stand

Yeah, I have vibes for gear and the Fanthom G wasn't getting my attention even though I liked the Fanthom S version before it.. But yes, thats the sense I was in, that the sample tech of Roland is superior to Akai's.

I bet Roland is kicking themselves in the ass for not buying Akai before Numark, the merge of these two would've been monstrous.

Outside of the S950 and MPC Series, I preferred Emu and Roland samplers over Akai tbh

Kurzweil had amazing filters also, but I found them over complicated.

Ill-Green wrote:Yeah, I have vibes for gear and the Fanthom G wasn't getting my attention even though I liked the Fanthom S version before it.. But yes, thats the sense I was in, that the sample tech of Roland is superior to Akai's.

I bet Roland is kicking themselves in the ass for not buying Akai before Numark, the merge of these two would've been monstrous.

I have always kept at least one or more Roland products in my lab. When the Fantom G came out...I was thinking Fantom X to the next power and was thinking it would have the sampling technology and sequencer of the MV. I was wrong in both instances. But I stayed patient as Roland had been known to provide OS upgrades. Its been almost 4 years and 2 OS upgrades which didn't add anything significant. And Roland dropped support for ARX cards and the Fantom plugin editor will not be udated to work on Win 7. Major disappointment. It will be quite some time before I give Roland my money again.

@Retrofreak
I like Emu's sound modules. I tried their samplers but the user interface killed it for me. Akai always have a more intuitive interface.

JAH wrote:

Ill-Green wrote:Yeah, I have vibes for gear and the Fanthom G wasn't getting my attention even though I liked the Fanthom S version before it.. But yes, thats the sense I was in, that the sample tech of Roland is superior to Akai's.

I bet Roland is kicking themselves in the ass for not buying Akai before Numark, the merge of these two would've been monstrous.

I have always kept at least one or more Roland products in my lab. When the Fantom G came out...I was thinking Fantom X to the next power and was thinking it would have the sampling technology and sequencer of the MV. I was wrong in both instances. But I stayed patient as Roland had been known to provide OS upgrades. Its been almost 4 years and 2 OS upgrades which didn't add anything significant. And Roland dropped support for ARX cards and the Fantom plugin editor will not be udated to work on Win 7. Major disappointment. It will be quite some time before I give Roland my money again.

@Retrofreak
I like Emu's sound modules. I tried their samplers but the user interface killed it for me. Akai always have a more intuitive interface.

Really?

I always preferred the E4XT samplers for their ease of use, sound and power.

Their Z plane Filters, Exciter and automatic key-grouping were way ahead for their time imo

Till this day I still love the sound of Emu's for strings, everything sounded thick.

JAH wrote:@mr_debauch
This is getting funnier by the minute. You talk about what I can afford..when I purchased 2x Kronos, 2x MPC 2000, MPC 2000XL, Machine, and an MPD32 since May 2011. I just spent $200 upgrading my Kronos. I gave away both of the MPC 2000s as gifts. I will buy at least two new MPCs, Mac Pro, UAD effects card, Apogee/RME sound card and an analog synth this year. And getting one of my Ren's customized by Forat (for a total of approx $10K). If it makes you feel better and give you forum credibility, I am buying all of this with my income tax return money, just to collect dust as you indicated. I have no intentions on making music with any of them. Why would I make music when I can sit in the forums admiring how the Akai samplers are superior?Because at the end, all that matters is Akai is the king!

what is going on here, could this thread get back on topic plz.

JAH wrote:
You brought up the Sp and Electribe in a conversation about highend samplers. I'll leave buying and learning how to use those groove boxes to you.

excuse me? I brought up SPs and electribes, as well as electrons and a few others in a conversation about HARDWARE samplers and the fact you are a joke...


And dude, you try to add up the cost of each of those pieces of gear till you get the 10K total, but you forget to mention before affording to buy a second piece... you need to sell the first piece... plus you cant fit two things in the closet you live in (and dont own)...


but I may take your advice on buying a roland SP (not really feeling the electribe)... I may actually go and buy one of those because they not only look fun to use... they look great to use as a live effect for jamming or shows as well as it may make an interesting looper for when spinning. Plus, they are highly regarded amongst fans of samplers. As for the KP3 sampler, I plan on getting one of those.

I'm having a hard time telling who's who from a distance...

mp3 wrote:I'm having a hard time telling who's who from a distance...

It's getting worst isn't it. All of this because I said Akai is the king of samplers. If you don't believe Akai is the king of samplers, I am 100% sure that there is a dedicated forum for the sampler you believe is the king.

JAH wrote:All of this because I said Akai is the king of samplers.

dont give yourself that much credit.
for me personally, i could care less that you said this. it's the way you try to prove an opinion as fact just to rile people up that is pathetic...anyone can go back and forth all day over inane statements like this.

it's watching you stir this pot with negativity just to get a reaction, but then fall back on singing kumbaya holding hands and shit talking bout how yer the only precious ray of light this place has, that is disgusting.

i dont have a problem with you stating your opinion but i do have a problem with your unfailing ignorance / trolling. no matter how many times anyone says 'cool it', you still loudly express your right to be a total asshat.

this stopped being a 'civil conversation' as soon as you jumped in.

at this point the trolling has been exposed and im done with it.

Akai is still king!

All of this because I said Akai is the king of samplers.

Except that Akai no longer makes samplers....they make controllers.

The MV series died a slow death (never to be continued). The Fantom G shipped without a keygroup sampler, and is the worst Roland sampler in years

Roland made sure the MV's worked 100% before they discontinued the line. They also sold every machine they made. You can't say that the 5000- their forsaken leper child they can't purge and no longer speak of in public. The fact is that both are finished with hardware samplers. Akai is simply stuck with a bunch $2000 samplers nobody wants.
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I dig what Akai is up to but as for now it's all prototypes and non-functioning software. The Studio is where the money is. $1300 for controller is deal breaker for many in market the interface is redundant. It'll be interesting to see the finished software in 6 months. Without audio tracks it will still be underpowered compared to what most already have.

I bet Roland is kicking themselves in the ass for not buying Akai before Numark, the merge of these two would've been monstrous.

Truth be told , Yamaha , Roland, and Korg all have the technology and resources to build this technology and beyond. Maschine was first , Akai showed that they're going in hard in 6 months, but any of the major makers can jump in whenever they want.

Not in the mood to talk about Roland. Pointless....they have abandoned all their highend samplers. I will talk about them when they are relevant again.

Korg is not known for sampling. They have all their chips in the Kronos workstation, that just happens to sample (bad at it too).

Yamaha Motif XF? Sampler is a joke...unnecessarily long processes.

You don't discontinue products that are cost effective to produce and nets a profit. These companies will never attempt to create a product in the MPC lane again. You heard it from me first.

Sorry bruh, but Akai is now officially a follower, Akai is now strictly controllers-not samplers , and Maschine is the new standard bearer in dedicated. Akai isn't selling a sampler. They're selling a controller. That's what it is. It has absolutely no functionality of it's own. I like Numark's approach but don't try to paint the unit as something it's not and never going to be.

*As of right now all of Akai's sampling power is in the software. At this stage it's non-working software. They now have to contend with Geist, Beatscape, and other soft-samplers that work already. Akai's software is already under powered compared to what's out there right now. Can they produce a software package that is both powerful enough and stable enough to get users to shell out $1300 for a controller when a drum controller and a DAW already do what they claim feature-wise.

Add to that the question of no time stretch , no audio tracks , no track freeze , no warping amongst other features and users are forced to ask the question of giving up those those features going backwards. While there will be a VST mode there are already several VST's that do what Akai is proposing.

You don't discontinue products that are cost effective to produce and nets a profit. These companies will never attempt to create a product in the MPC lane again. You heard it from me first.

Roland dropped the 8800 when it was still profitable and came out ahead. Akai continued with the 5000 and is stuck with hardware nobody wants. I say Roland got it right. You don't know what the other companies are planning and you are no authority gear manufacturing or its trends. If you were you would've warned Akai that were destined to become a follower behind Native Instruments when they were still trying to get the public to shell out $2000 for a hardware sampler that still doesn't work.