NEWS Flash!! New MPC concept shown at Build 2014

SimonInAustralia wrote:

daftmunk wrote:how am i missing the point?! you're playing off semantics... Standalone MPC.. PC in a box.. yes they're essentially the same thing here... but the "minus the integration" is really the entire point i was making and incidentally is what you seem to be missing!

anyways i think it's a little premature to make claims on what/how this future MPC will operate, it very well may integrate with ren software which is what i'm hoping for (standalone AND daw hosting) one without the other doesn't make much sense to me.. but that's just my opinion

That really depends on what your idea of 'hybrid' and 'integration' actually means, and whether Akai see it, and implement it, the same way.

There is no reason they couldn't make a standalone MPC that can also operate MPC Software as a MIDI controller, in the same way that the MPC Renaissance and MPC Studio do, as the current MPC controllers are just sending MIDI commands into MPC Software from their pads/buttons/Q-Links, but that might not be what you have in mind as 'hybrid' and 'integration'.

Agreed. I just feel if they now how to make just a plain standalone MPC which they seem to have a grasp on, the integration (if thats what it is) is really not a big deal and sound dope to me and not as complicated as some make it sound....But again we are going off of assumptions. Its still just a concept until its announced.

BDRAKE wrote:

daftmunk wrote:

BDRAKE wrote: I think you got the idea but missing the point. Its still be a standalone MPC not a pc in a box unless your saying that because its using an windows base to build the O.S. on. Just like a 2000/2500/1000 etc it will still use a processor/memory/hardrive and have its own o.s. With that being said, a better processor than any MPC has ever seen and take more ram than any standalone mpc has ever seen with the right board. So the concept is basically the same minus the integration.

how am i missing the point?! you're playing off semantics... Standalone MPC.. PC in a box.. yes they're essentially the same thing here... but the "minus the integration" is really the entire point i was making and incidentally is what you seem to be missing!

anyways i think it's a little premature to make claims on what/how this future MPC will operate, it very well may integrate with ren software which is what i'm hoping for (standalone AND daw hosting) one without the other doesn't make much sense to me.. but that's just my opinion

Nope let me not talk around what i mean this time....

Like I said I hear you, no semantics but my point is "so what" if its a better mpc then its a better mpc. The semantics in my opinion is pre judging a concept that has yet to touch the light of day....but you know what? I agree with you when you say its premature to make claims...which is the point. We are both assuming in opposite directions. I think its interesting and promising and it seems you think a little less of it which you are entitled to feel that way.

i don't assume less.. it is a fact that it's running windows so as a mac user i do have valid concern as to the integration... that's it really..

IMO this whole thing is nothing more than Akai taking the opportunity to rub shoulders with Microsoft at Build 2014. It's probably just something quickly cobbled together for that conference, it allowed Microsoft to say 'Wow, our OS can even be used on the cool gadgets musicians like Dr Dre use. Awesome!' I suspect this is why the references to 'prototype' have been removed, people were making too big a deal about it.

Whether it gets Akai thinking about this being something to pursue, who knows?

As for the potential for integration, I suspect that again, some might be over-thinking this aspect. I would assume that primarily the use of Windows Embedded will be to speed up development and to provide an advanced OS for the hardware that will allow it to be significantly more feature-packed and efficient compared to the propriatory OS used on previous hardware MPCs.

With a cool touch screen, millions of colours, a recognised OS, decent RAM and CPU they are going to be able to do all sorts of wonderful things that an MPC firmware OS could only dream about, plus it will allow them to use general software developers rather than specialist firmware developers to create all this stuff.

Any integration with other computers would probably still just be via standard protocols, just like the Ren uses, i.e. MIDI & USB, and maybe wifi etc, so would be platform independent.

Serious question - beyond this type of 'typical' integration (e.g. perform MIDI sync, data transfer, MIDI Control of DAWs, perhaps use of the MPC audio interface), what kind of integration would you guys be lusting after with a new standalone MPC?

Well with the typical integration that would be all for me. If I can midi sync it to any device wether mac or pc because I use both they can innovate as much as they want.

MPC-Tutor wrote:IMO this whole thing is nothing more than Akai taking the opportunity to rub shoulders with Microsoft at Build 2014.

I think it will be like one of those concept cars that never sees the light of day. They've probably got the Ren II pencilled in as a slightly tweaked version of the first one with a bigger screen and dark colour scheme etc.

As well as buddying up to Microsoft it also sends a little message to NI that they still have the capabilities to create a standalone/hybrid unit if they want to. The question is, do they want to?

BDRAKE wrote:Well with the typical integration that would be all for me. If I can midi sync it to any device wether mac or pc because I use both they can innovate as much as they want.

A new integration could be the possibility of connecting directly to the hardware MPC's memory to perform advanced sample edits via your computer's preferred audio editor? So connect via USB or wifi, and in addition to the MPC storage appearing as a removable drive, the memory will also appear separately in the list, giving real time access to the samples in MPC memory.

You can then apply any effect or sample process available to you in your audio editing app (e.g. Audition, Soundforge, Audacity) and upon 'save', it would update the sample held in your MPCs memory.

However, that type of integration would still be platform independent.

MPC-Tutor wrote:A new integration could be the possibility of connecting directly to the hardware MPC's memory to perform advanced sample edits via your computer's preferred audio editor? So connect via USB or wifi, and in addition to the MPC storage appearing as a removable drive, the memory will also appear separately in the list, giving real time access to the samples in MPC memory.

You can then apply any effect or sample process available to you in your audio editing app (e.g. Audition, Soundforge, Audacity) and upon 'save', it would update the sample held in your MPCs memory.

That's basically part of AKsys feature set in a nutshell, albeit 15 years later.

What would be especially nice for me is to have some extra audio editor style functionality built in - trimming to zero crossings, removing DC offset, phase tools. Pie in the sky stuff really.

MPC-Tutor wrote:

BDRAKE wrote:Well with the typical integration that would be all for me. If I can midi sync it to any device wether mac or pc because I use both they can innovate as much as they want.

A new integration could be the possibility of connecting directly to the hardware MPC's memory to perform advanced sample edits via your computer's preferred audio editor? So connect via USB or wifi, and in addition to the MPC storage appearing as a removable drive, the memory will also appear separately in the list, giving real time access to the samples in MPC memory.

You can then apply any effect or sample process available to you in your audio editing app (e.g. Audition, Soundforge, Audacity) and upon 'save', it would update the sample held in your MPCs memory.

However, that type of integration would still be platform independent.

Sounds good to me . Im just saying I love all the possibilities as long as it stays with its core features that MPC's should have. As far as the possibilities you list,I would love the wifi connection. Connecting to the MPC memory for audio editing I could take or leave but yet the option is very cool. Just to have a platform that has almost endless possiblities fascinates me....as long as they can make it work

masada2502 wrote:

I read the entire thread, before responding.


What was said is that the implementation of the core coding will be supported by .NET, and the user interface by Visual Studio. This makes the Windows 8.1 embedded system.

As was mentioned before by MPC-Tutor, it will not look like "Windows" necessarily.

The users of this support system will be able to create application as is pleased.

What also was mentioned during this presentations is that the server can communicate with IOS and Android.

IOS and OSX can use compilers who understand, interpret and translate for example C++ and many other codings languages.



Linux basically can be implemented as well, since the core of Linux is Unix, just as is in OSX/ IOS.



http://www.visualstudio.com



Here is the complete conference, Keynote 2, see from 02:02 the full explanation of what this means to developers.


http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2 ... d=build_hp



All in all, it will make it more Hackable, just as was done to the X-Box (original). Which created a revolution in the multi-media world. This is why set top boxes and such are the way they are nowadays. So in that sense I welcome this concept by Inmusic.

Coz wrote:Touchscreen?

I don't understand, they could have/ can created a dedicated "hardcore" app on the iPad for such "machine". There are large conglomerate companies who have done the same already such as Mackie.


Now the way I see this, is like a new version of the Roland MV8800, with a more high resolution screen and modern software support.

akaipete wrote:Your existing MPCs have not suddenly become obsolete!

We're working on a number of cool things, including this, as well as 1.7 software, 1.8, 1.9 and beyond.

Dear Pete, the same was said about the MPC 5000, and we are still waiting on the OS 3.0 update.


Anyway, can make sure we get things like audio tracks and real time swing like in the 4000, for instance....


See, people bought these "flagship tools" for actual production, making a living, a career etc...not for spare time enjoyment. It seems a if people at "Akai" Inmusic don't get this.

This criticism is for building up, as a wake up call.



Sincerely, Chillin'.

They complained about the MV too when it was released, they will complain about this new MPC that why can't they multimessage a beat to six friends, then they'll pout and return to their old gear.

Ill-Green wrote:They complained about the MV too when it was released, they will complain about this new MPC that why can't they multimessage a beat to six friends, then they'll pout and return to their old gear.

Yeah your right, no matter how much you give them,they still want more. Akai should change the way they market,by stating all the features upfront, perfect them, and only release them when there perfected. Let us know upfront this machine is going up to o.s. 3.0 and when it gets there, it's maxed out. But carefully Plan each release with features that are requested and useful.

Ill-Green wrote:They complained about the MV too when it was released, they will complain about this new MPC that why can't they multimessage a beat to six friends, then they'll pout and return to their old gear.

To my knowledge the MV8800 is still being supported, since 2008.


The MV8800 became an expansion to the MV8000, not a downgrade.


The complain by many on the REN and 5000 is realistic, not idealistic.


The competition is trying to take Akai's place. As the clock is ticking slowly....

rookie wrote:

Ill-Green wrote:They complained about the MV too when it was released, they will complain about this new MPC that why can't they multimessage a beat to six friends, then they'll pout and return to their old gear.

Yeah your right, no matter how much you give them,they still want more. Akai should change the way they market,by stating all the features upfront, perfect them, and only release them when there perfected. Let us know upfront this machine is going up to o.s. 3.0 and when it gets there, it's maxed out. But carefully Plan each release with features that are requested and useful.

I agree with being more open about the possibilities of the device and the planning.

Like showing us the progression being made, while we await, in patience. I think that it would take away a lot of the frustration.


The 1.7 Ren update intro was great. But, what progress has been made up till now?
What can we expect thusfar...? Roland is doing this with the Aira TR8.

These things are important to costumers, as feedback.