AKAI says they will change the way we make music forever @ m

ArKyve-31 wrote:

SimonInAustralia wrote:Read between the lines and it is obvious that it doesn't run standalone.

you pretty much argued with me for now reason, you're saying the same thing I was implying, I know damn well why the phono preamps are on both. I said it does run stand alone.

WTF?

No, I am saying that it does not run standalone, you are saying it does run standalone.

It does not run standalone.

Phono preamps are to sample into it from vinyl, they are nothing to do with it being standalone or not.

BLiTzZD wrote:I also noticed a few of you are a tad hypocritical, bitching about this not being a "real" MPC while you're using ableton or mashine

I don't see anything hypocritical, just that someone would expect an MPC to function as an MPC historically has. Why would that imply someone is a hypocrite if they use or own other alternatives?

tapedeck wrote:now its music production controller because controllers are popular?

Or, maybe it is because it actually is a controller?

tapedeck wrote:i mean, i totally see where they are coming from - by calling it an mpc, it gets all this instant cred and hype - even if it's not an mpc at all.

It is totally an MPC, just running the OS on an external computer rather than in the MPC.

It is an MPC control surface, connected to the MPC software, that is what an older MPC is, having the OS running on a computer rather than the MPC doesn't change the functionality and user interaction that makes it an MPC.

Count me out. The reason to buy a controller designed specifically for tight integration with a DAW is to get a better handle on the DAW. But guess what, Ableton, Propellerheads and Native Instruments are all more committed to creating, updating and innovating their software. Akai is a day late, dollar short, uncommitted and chasing a buck off newbie wannabe producers with this crap. Anyone try SynthStation for the ipad? What a **** of nonsense. Akai doesn't understand user workflow anymore. They are leveraging the MPC name to create excitement, but the talent and passion long left the building.

Metatron72 wrote:I don't see anything hypocritical, just that someone would expect an MPC to function as an MPC historically has.

And why exactly, from a user interface and beat making perspective, you know actually using it to make music, does this not function as an MPC historically has?

MeSoHordey wrote:The reason to buy a controller designed specifically for tight integration with a DAW is to get a better handle on the DAW. But guess what, Ableton, Propellerheads and Native Instruments are all more committed to creating, updating and innovating their software. Akai is a day late, dollar short, uncommitted and chasing a buck off newbie wannabe producers with this ****. Anyone try SynthStation for the ipad? What a **** of nonsense. Akai doesn't understand user workflow anymore. They are leveraging the MPC name to create excitement, but the talent and passion long left the building.

Is this supposed to be a fully featured DAW?

Everyone is buying into the Akai 'change the way we make music forever' marketing hype, expecting that it actually will do that.

It looks to me like they have just taken the MPC OS out of the MPC and put it into the computer instead.

There is nothing in what we have seen so far of the actual unit that suggests it is anything more than that.

JamesJeffery wrote:Willing to bet the Ren. is all plastics too. It's gonna feel tacky as hell in comparison to a true MP.

I'll take that bet, how much?

It is obvious that it has a metal front and rear plate at least, with moulded plastic parts around it, like all other recent MPCs.

Why is it going to feel tacky as hell in comparison to a 'true' MPC?

Metatron72 wrote:

BLiTzZD wrote:I also noticed a few of you are a tad hypocritical, bitching about this not being a "real" MPC while you're using ableton or mashine

I don't see anything hypocritical, just that someone would expect an MPC to function as an MPC historically has. Why would that imply someone is a hypocrite if they use or own other alternatives?

Who said it won't function as an MPC historically has? It has an LCD screen. It could possible function in a way that the end user would be completely unaware that the CPU, RAM, hard drives, and software are hosted by a PC. Check out the videos. The lap top is set off to the side.

MeSoHordey wrote: They are leveraging the MPC name to create excitement, but the talent and passion long left the building.

And people are still using MPCs......

^^ that's exactly what i thought when i posted a few pages back. one can only dream. hope he gets busy wit it

SimonInAustralia wrote:

tapedeck wrote:having the OS running on a computer rather than the MPC doesn't change the functionality and user interaction that makes it an MPC.

Yeah it does. No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about.

SimonInAustralia wrote:Is this supposed to be a fully featured DAW?

Sure looks like they have created a DAW.

SimonInAustralia wrote:Everyone is buying into the Akai 'change the way we make music forever' marketing hype, expecting that it actually will do that.

They said it.

MeSoHordey wrote:

SimonInAustralia wrote:

tapedeck wrote:having the OS running on a computer rather than the MPC doesn't change the functionality and user interaction that makes it an MPC.

Yeah it does. No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about.

How exactly does it change, when you are using it to make beats how is it different in use to an older MPC?

Care to expand on exactly what I am talking about that I don't know?

JAH wrote:

Metatron72 wrote:

BLiTzZD wrote:I also noticed a few of you are a tad hypocritical, bitching about this not being a "real" MPC while you're using ableton or mashine

I don't see anything hypocritical, just that someone would expect an MPC to function as an MPC historically has. Why would that imply someone is a hypocrite if they use or own other alternatives?

Who said it won't function as an MPC historically has? It has an LCD screen. It could possible function in a way that the end user would be completely unaware that the CPU, RAM, hard drives, and software are hosted by a PC. Check out the videos. The lap top is set off to the side.

MeSoHordey wrote: They are leveraging the MPC name to create excitement, but the talent and passion long left the building.

And people are still using MPCs......

I believe you all know I meant function as a standalone unit, I even have to spell that out? As to the computer aspect becoming transparent, you guys really think the usb interface they put in there will match a standalone MPC? That's RME, MOTU, Apogee and Echo territory there.

I think it's an interesting concept with potential for future improvement and growth, but it would be a much better product if it could function without a computer.

Anyone feel free to throw Maschine this, Maschine that in my face. That product wasn't the extension of a previous hardware line were standalone is expected.

MeSoHordey wrote:

SimonInAustralia wrote:Is this supposed to be a fully featured DAW?

I don't see anything on the website that suggests it is going to be a fully featured DAW at all.

I see what might be a graphical representation of the MPC sequencer tracks, which is a long way from it trying to be a fully featured DAW.

Do the features of the MPC Software on the same website suggest that it is a full DAW, or just the same MPC OS functions moved onto a computer?

What features on the website suggest to you that this is a full featured DAW competing with ProTools/Logic/CueBase/etc.?

MeSoHordey wrote:

SimonInAustralia wrote:Everyone is buying into the Akai 'change the way we make music forever' marketing hype, expecting that it actually will do that.

They said it.

It is marketing hype, work that out, ignore it, look at what the product and it's features actually are, use your brain.

SimonInAustralia wrote:How exactly does it change, when you are using it to make beats how is it different in use to an older MPC?

Care to expand on exactly what I am talking about that I don't know?

There is a reason why stand alone MPCs are so desired. It's called latency. I also believe that certain units have a sound character which can't be replicated in software.