Looks like the REN got some new color additions (LINK INSIDE

mpcstuff.com wrote:Not to worry guys. We will have a FULL line of REN upgrades VERY soon after it drops.

Dope

mpcstuff.com wrote:Not to worry guys. We will have a FULL line of REN upgrades VERY soon after it drops.

You guys should develop a Ren XLCD

I find your pads reasonably priced and have purchased several over the years. But your knobs, buttons, and tact switches are a different story...even for me. At your MPC 3000 upgrade prices..we would spend as much as $285 to replace all the knobs.

So here is a plug to offer complete set of knob upgrades at a more reasonable price.

JAH wrote:

mpcstuff.com wrote:Not to worry guys. We will have a FULL line of REN upgrades VERY soon after it drops.

You guys should develop a Ren XLCD

Why?????? when will have our computer screens!!?? In my case ill have my '32 HDTV

optik415 wrote:

JAH wrote:

mpcstuff.com wrote:Not to worry guys. We will have a FULL line of REN upgrades VERY soon after it drops.

You guys should develop a Ren XLCD

Why?????? when will have our computer screens!!?? In my case ill have my '32 HDTV

I know....I know...That is what Dan said...and I agree to a certain point. But then why have an LCD at all?

If I were god for a day, I would make the MPC Ren II with a larger LCD screen like the MPC 4000 and 5000. In fact, I would have simply modified the MPC 5000 to use it as the Ren's controller. And I would keep the LCD page lay out almost identical to MPC 5000s Synth Mode. I would do all of this just so I could choose to turn off my PC/Mac monitor and operate the Ren like I would a traditional hardware MPC.

JAH wrote: I would do all of this just so I could choose to turn off my PC/Mac monitor and operate the Ren like I would a traditional hardware MPC.

what's the the purpose of having screen on Ren at all if you cant use it like traditional hardware mpc and still require to use external LCD monitor ?

konc3pt wrote:

JAH wrote: I would do all of this just so I could choose to turn off my PC/Mac monitor and operate the Ren like I would a traditional hardware MPC.

what's the the purpose of having screen on Ren at all if you cant use it like traditional hardware mpc and still require to use external LCD monitor ?

It's a concept they took from NI Maschine that gives the end user the ability to make beats without having to stare at a computer screen all day to simulate a Hardware workflow.

This thing appears to mimic so many Maschine concepts and in my experience with gear the originator is always better than the imitator.

MPCWeapon1 wrote:
This thing appears to mimic so many Maschine concepts and in my experience with gear the originator is always better than the imitator.

Take out all MPC concepts from Maschine and it will be a word processor.

JAH wrote:

MPCWeapon1 wrote:
This thing appears to mimic so many Maschine concepts and in my experience with gear the originator is always better than the imitator.

Take out all MPC concepts from Maschine and it will be a word processor.

Yeah, but the AKAI developers that came up with those concepts are no longer there. It's a new company. It's way more Numark than it is AKAI. So I would say the "AKAI" of today is in follow/imitator mode.

What does that have to do with Maschine being on follow/imitator mode?

And what is your point anyway? I own an MPC 3000, 2500, and Maschine...not to mention the Ren. You can spin your wheels debating which MPC is the best...I simply just buy/acquire all of them.

Get your weight up, not your hate up.

MPCWeapon1 wrote:Yeah, but the AKAI developers that came up with those concepts are no longer there. It's a new company. It's way more Numark than it is AKAI. So I would say the "AKAI" of today is in follow/imitator mode.

I do agree with this. Also, NI may have imitated many MPC features, but I would argue they 'evolved' the entire concept to the point where Akai now are without doubt the imitators (in this particular market). Don't forget, many features of an MPC are a product of the hardware samplers and sequencers before it - only the idea of combining the two machines is something inherently MPC. You can't slam a product simply because it borrows from the past, not when it further evolves matters.

But the concept of a software-hardware MPC-style hybrid is definitely something now owned by NI (regardless of what may have come before it in one shape or another). Akai really fell asleep on that one, they had plenty of time and opportunity to do something in that market and even when Maschine was out and successfully cementing itself in the market they seemed slow to react. NI were the ones that simply did it while Akai were just twiddling their thumbs churning out the same old hardware MPC concept .

There's nothing too bad with Akai being the imitators, but again, you have to be prepared to evolve the concept rather than just clone it.

^ nicely said

JAH wrote:I find your pads reasonably priced and have purchased several over the years. But your knobs, buttons, and tact switches are a different story...even for me. At your MPC 3000 upgrade prices..we would spend as much as $285 to replace all the knobs.

So here is a plug to offer complete set of knob upgrades at a more reasonable price.

Jah,

I understand totally, its something we are actually working with now with the button sets. Unfortunately the prices are high right now and no kits are offered because they are sourced from Akai at VERY high prices. In the near future when we make our own button kits we will be able to lower the prices since we are the manufacturer.

MPC-Tutor wrote:

MPCWeapon1 wrote:Yeah, but the AKAI developers that came up with those concepts are no longer there. It's a new company. It's way more Numark than it is AKAI. So I would say the "AKAI" of today is in follow/imitator mode.

I do agree with this. Also, NI may have imitated many MPC features, but I would argue they 'evolved' the entire concept to the point where Akai now are without doubt the imitators (in this particular market). Don't forget, many features of an MPC are a product of the hardware samplers and sequencers before it - only the idea of combining the two machines is something inherently MPC. You can't slam a product simply because it borrows from the past, not when it further evolves matters.

But the concept of a software-hardware MPC-style hybrid is definitely something now owned by NI (regardless of what may have come before it in one shape or another). Akai really fell asleep on that one, they had plenty of time and opportunity to do something in that market and even when Maschine was out and successfully cementing itself in the market they seemed slow to react. NI were the ones that simply did it while Akai were just twiddling their thumbs churning out the same old hardware MPC concept .

There's nothing too bad with Akai being the imitators, but again, you have to be prepared to evolve the concept rather than just clone it.

Good post.

MPCWeapon1 wrote:

MPC-Tutor wrote:

MPCWeapon1 wrote:Yeah, but the AKAI developers that came up with those concepts are no longer there. It's a new company. It's way more Numark than it is AKAI. So I would say the "AKAI" of today is in follow/imitator mode.

I do agree with this. Also, NI may have imitated many MPC features, but I would argue they 'evolved' the entire concept to the point where Akai now are without doubt the imitators (in this particular market). Don't forget, many features of an MPC are a product of the hardware samplers and sequencers before it - only the idea of combining the two machines is something inherently MPC. You can't slam a product simply because it borrows from the past, not when it further evolves matters.

But the concept of a software-hardware MPC-style hybrid is definitely something now owned by NI (regardless of what may have come before it in one shape or another). Akai really fell asleep on that one, they had plenty of time and opportunity to do something in that market and even when Maschine was out and successfully cementing itself in the market they seemed slow to react. NI were the ones that simply did it while Akai were just twiddling their thumbs churning out the same old hardware MPC concept .

There's nothing too bad with Akai being the imitators, but again, you have to be prepared to evolve the concept rather than just clone it.

Good post.

+1