Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By MPCWeapon1 Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:21 am
DJ Hellfire wrote:
MPCWeapon1 wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:
Yes Maschine has a step sequencer, but so does an MPC 2500 and every other MPC. So what? A 2500 also has audio tracks. How would Numark be copying off of NI when it's own products already have the feature? I missed the part where your post made any sense! :?

And 97% off what's available in Maschine has been available in MPC's since 1989! The only thing Maschine really has that isn't available in an MPC is computer integration, VST capability, and non-destructive chopping, all of which was already available in other software prior to Maschine. Other than those few things, Maschine does the exact same **** as any MPC! Akai isn't the only one borrowing ideas.


The way the 2500 implements the step sequencer is nothing like the way the Maschine does. The Ren stole Maschine's concept.


It's funny how you and JAH sheepishly defend Numark. Those fools came in the game swagger jacking and stealing concepts. Nothing has changed with them. I can't wait until Native Instruments answers Numark. See if they don't crush the game.

Plus...My 4000 doesn't have a step sequencer..at least not one that I know about..nor the 2000XL..the 2500 JJOSXL has one...but that's JJ.

5k doesn't have one either that I know of...fools be making up stuff to make their point.



Man **** Akai and **** Numark. Ain't nobody defending them. I'm defending what's called FACTS! And it doesn't matter how the step sequencer is implemented, the point is Akai still had it. Just because you improve on someone else's design does not make the idea your own! And the XL has one as well. Ever notice the little button on the main screen that says "STEP".

What's funny is how you guys sit here and pray for the downfall of some **** corporation! Why "can't you wait" for NI to "crush the game"? I own and love both MPC and Maschine and do not wish for either company to kill the other. Neither is paying me to care that much. Some of you dudes come off as really, seriously, and literally MAD at Akai and for what? Because they made a product? :shock:

And as far as "swagger jacking concepts", god damn every piece of production software has an "MPC Swing" feature! :nod: "C'mon Son"! :roll:

The funny thing is how Maschine was called an MPC biter when it was introduced. Now the MPC is a Maschine biter. Funny how tables turn over the course of 3 years! :lol:



FACT is MPC does not have a step sequencer. JJOSXL has it, which I love by the way it took my drum patterns to another level, but no authorized MPC OS has it. You must be talking about step edit.

I know the original AKAI were trendsetters, not Numark though.

JJ is an example of someone, or a development team with vision. The way that step sequencer was implemented in the 2500 was nothing short of genius.

The Ren's implementation of the step sequencer is an exact replica of the Maschine. No vision or innovation at all.


PS..I'm not a Numark hater by the way. I made a beat on my folks 5000 the other day and the 5000 is the shit....IMHO.
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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By josephnicks Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:22 am
isnt mashines step sequencer just a rip of an electribe.. pads lighting up as they pass through the loop, selecting a pad creates a drum hit. its been done before, only difference is the pad layout..
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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By DJ Hellfire Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:24 am
josephnicks wrote:isnt mashines step sequencer just a rip of an electribe.. its been done before, only difference is the pad layout..



I'm sure it's a rip off of something that's been ripped off that's been ripped off! I don't know why anyone cares. As long as it works for those that choose to use it!
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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By DJ Hellfire Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:41 am
MPCWeapon1 wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:
MPCWeapon1 wrote:
The way the 2500 implements the step sequencer is nothing like the way the Maschine does. The Ren stole Maschine's concept.


It's funny how you and JAH sheepishly defend Numark. Those fools came in the game swagger jacking and stealing concepts. Nothing has changed with them. I can't wait until Native Instruments answers Numark. See if they don't crush the game.

Plus...My 4000 doesn't have a step sequencer..at least not one that I know about..nor the 2000XL..the 2500 JJOSXL has one...but that's JJ.

5k doesn't have one either that I know of...fools be making up stuff to make their point.



Man **** Akai and **** Numark. Ain't nobody defending them. I'm defending what's called FACTS! And it doesn't matter how the step sequencer is implemented, the point is Akai still had it. Just because you improve on someone else's design does not make the idea your own! And the XL has one as well. Ever notice the little button on the main screen that says "STEP".

What's funny is how you guys sit here and pray for the downfall of some **** corporation! Why "can't you wait" for NI to "crush the game"? I own and love both MPC and Maschine and do not wish for either company to kill the other. Neither is paying me to care that much. Some of you dudes come off as really, seriously, and literally MAD at Akai and for what? Because they made a product? :shock:

And as far as "swagger jacking concepts", god damn every piece of production software has an "MPC Swing" feature! :nod: "C'mon Son"! :roll:

The funny thing is how Maschine was called an MPC biter when it was introduced. Now the MPC is a Maschine biter. Funny how tables turn over the course of 3 years! :lol:



FACT is MPC does not have a step sequencer. JJOSXL has it, which I love by the way it took my drum patterns to another level, but no authorized MPC OS has it. You must be talking about step edit.

I know the original AKAI were trendsetters, not Numark though.

JJ is an example of someone, or a development team with vision. The way that step sequencer was implemented in the 2500 was nothing short of genius.

The Ren's implementation of the step sequencer is an exact replica of the Maschine. No vision or innovation at all.


PS..I'm not a Numark hater by the way. I made a beat on my folks 5000 the other day and the 5000 is the shit....IMHO.



The MPC (stock OS) has Step Edit. What you are editing is the sequence. This makes it a Step Sequencer plain and simple. It's just another version of it.

As far as being innovative, I mean, the market is HEAVILY more saturated with production gear and software now than it was in the day's of old Akai. I personally don't think NI has done anything different or more innovative than Propellerhead, or Apple, or DigiDesign/Avid. You've been able to control software with midi controllers for years prior to Maschine. NI just made the controller completely integrated. As far as the actual software goes, it's really not much different than Reason or whatever else is out there. There's nothing in Maschine that can't be done in some other app. The bread and butter with Maschine, and the only reason I use it, is the dedicated hardware. If anything, Maschine took what Akai did the the MPD series and improved on it!

You can hate Numark all you want. I could care less. I'm just saying, get the actual facts straight! If you wanna hate them because your MPC pads died, then cool. But to say they're biting when every piece of software/hardware available stripped damn near every last piece of MPC character and used it is just unfair! I mean, look at all the midi controllers that have "MPC style pads" built on and all the apps that have waveform sample chopping to name a couple! :lol:
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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By MPCWeapon1 Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:01 am
Not exactly. A Step sequencer means your recording in steps. A step editor means your modifying what you sequenced in steps.

But why let facts get in the way of a good arguement. You wear that Numark Cape well.
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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By MPCWeapon1 Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:08 am
josephnicks wrote:isnt mashines step sequencer just a rip of an electribe.. pads lighting up as they pass through the loop, selecting a pad creates a drum hit. its been done before, only difference is the pad layout..


No..Maschine step sequencer was inspired by the 808 XOX Step sequencer that electribe tried to emulate.

The way Maschine brought that concept to the software world was copied by Numark....and that's without question.

Reason did it with Redrum. Logic did it with Ultrabeat. The way NI did it though was original and Numark swagger jacked it hard.
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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By ceasi Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:41 am
It sounds like people are just arguing to argue, get off maschines dikc, and to say the MPC is copying anything from maschine is just stupid, the entire concept of maschine comes from an MPC. This topic has gone way off course, as usual.
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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By JAH Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:17 pm
moyphee wrote:
josephnicks wrote:isnt mashines step sequencer just a rip of an electribe.. pads lighting up as they pass through the loop, selecting a pad creates a drum hit. its been done before, only difference is the pad layout..


TR-808 started that.

And the TR-808 was the inspiration of the Step Sequence. Software like Reason has had a Step Sequencer for about a decade.

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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By MPCWeapon1 Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:55 pm
mr_debauch wrote:
MPCWeapon1 wrote:Numark swagger jacked it hard.



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Yep...came in the game swagger jacking and in 2012 The Maschine is the Technics and the Ren is bound to be that POS Numark turntable..I hope I'm wrong though.
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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By MPCWeapon1 Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:01 pm
ceasi wrote:It sounds like people are just arguing to argue, get off maschines dikc, and to say the MPC is copying anything from maschine is just stupid, the entire concept of maschine comes from an MPC. This topic has gone way off course, as usual.


It shouldnt have been a arguement because I said that Numark was following the Maschine model.THATS A IRREFUTABLE FACT. THERE'S NOTHING TOO ARGUE. You gotta make up stuff like "all MPCs have step sequencers" to have a foot to stand on.

I'm not mad at this arguement though. It inspired me to get back on my JJOSXL Step sequencer and I made a quick banger. Shout out to Eddie Bazil, I normally design me own drum sounds but those drums I copped a year ago got my 2500 sounding like a MPC 60. Deep kicks and dirty snares..that's what I'm talking about.
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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By DJ Hellfire Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:02 pm
MPCWeapon1 wrote:Not exactly. A Step sequencer means your recording in steps. A step editor means your modifying what you sequenced in steps.

But why let facts get in the way of a good arguement. You wear that Numark Cape well.


You can also add notes in the step editor exactly where you want them. Adding notes is sequencing. You don't only have edit what's already sequenced. You can sequence an entire beat from scratch in the step editor! Don't try to act like I'm making shit up because it doesn't fit what your "concept" of a step sequencer is!

You wear that penis cape just as well! :nod:
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Re: Can the Ren exist with another audio interface?

By MPCWeapon1 Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:08 pm
DJ Hellfire wrote:
MPCWeapon1 wrote:Not exactly. A Step sequencer means your recording in steps. A step editor means your modifying what you sequenced in steps.

But why let facts get in the way of a good arguement. You wear that Numark Cape well.


You can also add notes in the step editor exactly where you want them. You don't only have edit what's already sequenced. You can sequence an entire beat from scratch in the step editor!

You wear that penis cape just as well! :nod:


I'm done with this baseless arguement. Numark is swagger jacking hard. You gotta reach like a mutha **** to say otherwise.

Step EDIT. What does the word "edit" mean?

Nevermind...I'm through with this particular arguement. For right now at least.
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