Mpc Renaissance answers to questions

LMSW wrote:It does copy the sample, so it does work. But, you can not have different edits on the copied samples. All of the samples will act in unison once copied. I don't know why anyone would need this feature other than for live performances--finger drumming but not production.

Umm, you have to change the file name. Like if you copied a snare, the copy should be SNARE2. Then you can have different parameters for each.

Ill-Green wrote:

LMSW wrote:It does copy the sample, so it does work. But, you can not have different edits on the copied samples. All of the samples will act in unison once copied. I don't know why anyone would need this feature other than for live performances--finger drumming but not production.

Umm, you have to change the file name. Like if you copied a snare, the copy should be SNARE2. Then you can have different parameters for each.

Wich is lame because you will have to make 16+ copies of one sample.

What they want is ASR style sampling/chopping where you can take 1 sample and copy it to all pads, set diff loop points, and parameters for each one. (You know, The machine that Maschine got it from)

But IMO this is a non-issue on the MPC. It's a different workflow.

master-ceo wrote:

Ill-Green wrote:

LMSW wrote:It does copy the sample, so it does work. But, you can not have different edits on the copied samples. All of the samples will act in unison once copied. I don't know why anyone would need this feature other than for live performances--finger drumming but not production.

Umm, you have to change the file name. Like if you copied a snare, the copy should be SNARE2. Then you can have different parameters for each.

Wich is lame because you will have to make 16+ copies of one sample.

What they want is ASR style sampling/chopping where you can take 1 sample and copy it to all pads, set diff loop points, and parameters for each one. (You know, The machine that Maschine got it from)

Ah, I see. Never touched an ASR but on the MV, you just put the sample on the clipboard button, hold it down and just hit as many pads you want to copy it to, and up to 16 banks.

It will be cool if you can delete the notes with the mouse Instead of using the delete button

LMSW wrote:Yes Jah, that is another way. But, the ability to sample something and place it on one pad, then truncate and duplicate (like Maschine) is faster.

The chopping function Ren (especially with the poor sample editing features--as I keep mentioning) does not give the user the same level of control over your edits as Maschine. Ren does the chops for you, then you can go and re-edit to your desire. The duplication ability in Maschine allows you to chop in steps (so you can 'feel' what you are doing), without having to make copies and program pad assignments--which is the old approach to chopping. Ren's chopping feature (which is not a new idea) is okay for me, but if you are used to using Maschine's duplication process (dedicated button or just the ability) to chop samples you will not be happy with this feature in Ren.

I don't like Maschine's method of chopping/duplicating. And I am not saying this because my new favorite product is the Ren. I have been writing threads about nondestructive chopping for several years now. The JJOS does it perfectly; talk to JJ OS users and the live and die by this method. Akai implemented nondestructive chopping by simply unchecking 'Crop'.

Just Blaze claimed to use over 90 chops on Song Cry.' Try to do that on Maschine. The Ren takes a second to create 128 chops (nondestructive) and apply in to a program. And you can go back and edit your chops as you see fit.

But we have to acknowledge everyone has different workflows. And for those that are not happy about a specific function or lack of specific function....create a thread/poll if you are passionate about it. Hopefully, it will sway developers into adding it. 1 or 2 people saying they want something will probably not make it happen.

You may not like it but most users do. And like it was said before duplicate is real benefit when working on the hardware unit itself as it

1:It doesn't use regions so you have unlimited edits.

2: Your workflow is based on your ears not by sight so the hardware it all you need. It actually helps you finds hot parts faster.

3: You can set the length of cut from a single note to a riff without any concern over end points.

4: When you edit the start point of one sample you can duplicate the one sample creating a new instant copy to continue your edits. Especially for long samples.


Now this isn't meant for you Jah it is for the developer to expand the choices of the users as this was asked for and many users will definitely enjoy this addition to their workflow. Dan if you are reading this remember this is what we discussed.

Got it. But to bury it here....I doubt Dan will be able to find it.

I guess when It is all said and done, Maschine is still the way to go. After all the waiting it still can't do what it promised. Maybe one day it will live up to the hype, after a million upgrades! But as of right now, MASCHINE is KING!!!!!

Ren just go released a week ago, I am hopeful that I will be able to fully return to AKAI's MPC as future updates improve the device.

If AKAI wants Maschine users to consider the workflow of Ren, they will have to implement features like the independent "Duplication" process. Anything less is unacceptable if you are used to using this method in Maschine. Just Blaze would have made "Song Cry" on a SP1200 and 950 combo--if he was inspired to do so. This is 2012, and consumers need to be given the options of using the technology that is available. Why limit Ren to the archaic ways of production from years ago. AkAI can refuse to add features like this if they want to, let's see how long that approach works for the company.

What if you
1. copy the sample before you edit it at all to 16 pads, then put them in group to cut each other off then edit trim them all differently.....will they all trim the same?

2. Or, drag the sample in 16 different times, take a while but at that point they should all edit differently

seems like normal akai mpc functioning to me. I never used this duplicate feature on the Maschine anyways, never needed it plus I do tons of chopping etc, I hope they keep the Ren functioning like an mpc, not a maschine, thats what makes it a mpc lol Mpcs never worked like that, whatever was on the pads was a direct result of what samples were in your mpcs memory. In Maschine you assign sounds(samples) to 1 of 16 pads in a group, then make that sound spread across the pads in that group. Maschine uses a differed method and the hierarchy of samples/groups/sounds works different then an mpc. I think the mpc is more straightforward the way they've always been. I think there's important things the Ren needs to have first, like that add/remove slice point feature in the sampler, something the maschine already has, and every sampler should have.

What is the concern with duplicating a pad/sound? What is the purpose of you needing this function? Exactly what are you trying to do, I don't understand because seems like the Ren does this.

dorsey wrote:What if you
put them in group

Group? are you talking about the maschine or on an mpc? I'm confused. Don't you mean program?

dorsey wrote:What if you
1. copy the sample before you edit it at all to 16 pads, then put them in group to cut each other off then edit trim them all differently.....will they all trim the same?

2. Or, drag the sample in 16 different times, take a while but at that point they should all edit differently

1. This is how hardware MPCs perform as well as the Ren. You can make copies of a sample and assign them to pads. The copies are independent of one another so editing one won't impact the others.

2. Drag-n-dropping the same sample will give you a message the same is already in memory. This is also the standard ways MPC operates.

From what I can see, Akai is working hard to deliver a solid product. Of course you will have guys ranting in the forums about the lack of this or that feature. It happens with any new product. They can't satisfy everyone. And every feature request won't be implemented over night...a solid software with the core features working properly is priority. Nearly every feature request in this forum and the NI forum has been submitted to Akai for consideration. In the future, you will see some of these added to the Ren. In the meantime, use the features that it has and come up with creative work-arounds in the process. That's what I do.....

LMSW wrote:
If AKAI wants Maschine users to consider the workflow of Ren, they will have to implement features like the independent "Duplication" process. Anything less is unacceptable if you are used to using this method in Maschine.

That's the problem, I think you got too used to Maschine's method. Honestly the workflow on the maschine isnt even that great. I personally hate it and think it over complicates simple tasks. I think my 2500 had a better workflow and that didnt even have a duplicate feature, and I'm talking akai OS not JJ.