Reasons why I might pass on the new hardware lineup

Sounds to me that your delusional and sleep with a big poster of the Ren beside your bed. Need to step away from the saki.

Most people are amazed by the Renaissance because they don't follow professional music production. Don't get me wrong, I can listen to golden age material all day but production has progressed proliferately and everything the MPC Renaissance does, the maschine, or even a **** in midi keyboard with the right plugin can do.

MPC is cool and all but it's like Jay-Z's reasonable doubt. Nas put out illmatic 2 years before Jay and Jay still didn't come out with a better album. Most people here are Rick Ross flossy fairies so their verbal abuse is virgins screaming to me.

Do your **** ING HOMEWORK, look at all the DAW's, midi controllers, and plugins, come back and tell me the Renaissance is all that. Bet y'all hang onto laser disks for ironic hipster fashion.

In this forum, if you look at the individuals saying they will buy the MPC Ren, you will find that most of them are long time MPC users that have more knowledge about music production than the core of you. Several of us own Maschine, multiple DAWs, plugins, etc. Since I am in that category, I can tell you there is no sampling drum machine sequencer on the market that does what an MPC does...IMO. There is no reasonably priced DAW controller that has complete control over DAW software. You can make that claim as much as you like. If you stand by your statement, then give some specifics.

While I don't have an MPC Ren poster on my wall, that doesn't make me any less a fan. Akai is about to release a monster from what I have seen so far. It is poised to be more powerful than any related product in music history....IMHO. I can't wait until it's released to the masses.

I think I might make a pilgrimage to Rhode Island. Lol

JAH wrote:In this forum, if you look at the individuals saying they will buy the MPC Ren, you will find that most of them are long time MPC users that have more knowledge about music production than the core of you. Several of us own Maschine, multiple DAWs, plugins, etc. Since I am in that category, I can tell you there is no sampling drum machine sequencer on the market that does what an MPC does...IMO. There is no reasonably priced DAW controller that has complete control over DAW software. You can make that claim as much as you like. If you stand by your statement, then give some specifics.

While I don't have an MPC Ren poster on my wall, that doesn't make me any less a fan. Akai is about to release a monster from what I have seen so far. It is poised to be more powerful than any related product in music history....IMHO. I can't wait until it's released to the masses.

I think I might make a pilgrimage to Rhode Island. Lol

Right. Nothing has the MPC workflow, which is why I still use the 2000 and 2000XL. The 2000 used in midi mode used in a DAW can basically do everything that the Renaissance can do. I own maschine as well and the workflow is different but it definitely is a damn beast and pretty much does everything the Renaissance does, it even emulates SP 1200 sounds + the SP's filters, along with MPC60 emulation (which is where Akai probably got the idea in the first place). Maschine definitely bit Akai's MPC hard, but they one upped them. That's hip hop.

If Akai doesn't one up them, the MPC Renaissance will become stale in half a year through our technological exponential growth. That's why I'm saying, they should make it standalone but have it very DAW integrated as well, and that's seriously all it needs and then it will have longevity.

The future is the combination of 'analog' and 'digital', not the indulgent leep into the dependence of a computer.

I'm even a computer person but you have to realize not everybody has a laptop, which would make the Renaissance, quite the **** ing bummer. Making it standalone will seriously make it versatile and last long on the market. I ask them for the sake of both the customer and company. I don't want to see Akai put out a bad product, it's about progression, not stubbornness.

GodDevilWhatever wrote:Most people are amazed by the Renaissance because they don't follow professional music production. Don't get me wrong, I can listen to golden age material all day but production has progressed proliferately and everything the MPC Renaissance does, the maschine, or even a **** in midi keyboard with the right plugin can do.

MPC is cool and all but it's like Jay-Z's reasonable doubt. Nas put out illmatic 2 years before Jay and Jay still didn't come out with a better album. Most people here are Rick Ross flossy fairies so their verbal abuse is virgins screaming to me.

Do your **** ING HOMEWORK, look at all the DAW's, midi controllers, and plugins, come back and tell me the Renaissance is all that. Bet y'all hang onto laser disks for ironic hipster fashion.

And what the **** you think the Ren is? An MPC!!!

GodDevilWhatever wrote:
Right. Nothing has the MPC workflow, which is why I still use the 2000 and 2000XL. The 2000 used in midi mode used in a DAW can basically do everything that the Renaissance can do. I own maschine as well and the workflow is different but it definitely is a damn beast and pretty much does everything the Renaissance does, it even emulates SP 1200 sounds + the SP's filters, along with MPC60 emulation (which is where Akai probably got the idea in the first place). Maschine definitely bit Akai's MPC hard, but they one upped them. That's hip hop.

If Akai doesn't one up them, the MPC Renaissance will become stale in half a year through our technological exponential growth. That's why I'm saying, they should make it standalone but have it very DAW integrated as well, and that's seriously all it needs and then it will have longevity.

The future is the combination of 'analog' and 'digital', not the indulgent leep into the dependence of a computer.

I'm even a computer person but you have to realize not everybody has a laptop, which would make the Renaissance, quite the **** ing bummer. Making it standalone will seriously make it versatile and last long on the market. I ask them for the sake of both the customer and company. I don't want to see Akai put out a bad product, it's about progression, not stubbornness.

I can tell you that Akai has done more than one up NI. The MPC Ren has functions that Maschine users such as myself have been wanting for the past two years. Stay tuned...I will certainly write about all of them when the Ren is released.

An MPC 2000/2000XL and a DAW can produce the same end result of the MPC Ren. In fact, any music workstation can. But that isn't and never has been the debate. MPC Ren gives you the MPC workflow without the previous limitations found on legacy MPCs. The MPC Ren (like Maschine) gives you full control of the software from the controller. There is no controller on the market that does this.

As far as Akai going stale...From challenges laid down by Roland's MV to Maschine...history is on the side of Akai. As far as standalone hardware MPCs...nobody in this forum were screaming Akai needs to release another hardware MPC...not until the MPC Ren was announced. I seriously doubt you will see Akai or any other company produce a hardware sampling drum machine on the level as an MPC....get yourself an MPC 1000 or 5000. These have not been discontinued as of today.

The future lies in what consumers actually want. A hardware MPC just isn't it at this moment.

You're a brainless babylonian whore if you truly think that having it be both standalone and computer integrated would NOT increase sales dramatically.

Ill-Green wrote:Yep, thats the one . The Gas Mask Tortures. I think I had the "coming soon" part for about a year, so I took it down and just left the pic, but its done and free to download. This is my 2nd album btw. Thanks for the acknowledgement.

Ok. Got them both. Checked your page to see if anything new was out and saw that statement about something new coming out in 2011. Figured you might still be cooking something up. I still dont understand why you give your music away for free. But thats prob a discussion for another day. Not complaining though!

JAH wrote:Sounds to me that you fellas are envious of those that are planning on using the new MPC Ren. From unwarranted insults to challenges...seems like you all are looking for approval. Some of you have short-man complex. Lol

You'll hear me shut up once they are out. I most likely won't be buying so really won't have anything to contribute to folks who own them. I don't like poeple who bash my gear when they haven't ever used it themselves.

Until then though.....

I'm having fun speculating just like you are speculating JAH. If I'm raining on your parade by speculating along with you, 2FingBad (see above - you'll get the last word when you own one of these things).

And if I may point out a little hypocrisy, you are the king of personal insults. You continually personally insult people who do not share your opinion of a "yet-to-be released" device all while claiming you are the victim of haters. It's really pretty unbelievable.

Support is a huge concern. Software programs need to be patched on a regular basis. Escpecially in the beginning loads of compatibilaty problems will come up.

My TCelectronic audiocard i.e some had firewire problems with their system and others not. If the support was non exsisting like Akai my card would be useless. But they have great support.

Same for the DSI Tempest. The IOS is not finished by far, but their support( this one dude PYM) is fantastic. He answers most question and keeps us updated what he's working on next and what to expect in the near future. Even though the Tempest is not finished, I will buy it regardless. I cvan't say that about the new line of Akai. I just don't thrust them anymore.

btw. Is Akai still active on this forum. They promised to do better.

I think they got scared by the **** ing realness. They think hip hop/electronic producers are just kids and not real producers with real studios, making real hits.

GodDevilWhatever wrote:
I own maschine as well and the workflow is different but it definitely is a damn beast and pretty much does everything the Renaissance does.

Then just keep using the Maschine, and fall back cuz.

GodDevilWhatever wrote:If Akai doesn't one up them, the MPC Renaissance will become stale in half a year through our technological exponential growth.

Your Dumb.

GodDevilWhatever wrote:I'm even a computer person but you have to realize not everybody has a laptop, which would make the Renaissance, quite the **** ing bummer.

So because you can't afford a laptop it deserves to be standalone.

ceasi wrote:

GodDevilWhatever wrote:

GodDevilWhatever wrote:If Akai doesn't one up them, the MPC Renaissance will become stale in half a year through our technological exponential growth.

Your Dumb.

There are these things called contractions. They will make you look less ironic when calling other people dumb. You should check them out some time.

MeSoHordey wrote:
There are these things called contractions. They will make you look less ironic when calling other people dumb. You should check them out some time.

What...

ceasi wrote:

MeSoHordey wrote:
There are these things called contractions. They will make you look less ironic when calling other people dumb. You should check them out some time.

What...

He was pointing out the fact that he was calling me 'dumb' when he spelt "you're" as 'your'.