Can the MPC Renaissance drag/drop midi/audio inside of a DAW

To all you Ableton, Reason, Logic, FL, Pro Tool users out there, this is extremely crucial to workflow. How the audio/midi will be transported into the daw when it is a plugin in the interface.

Good question. Have you seen these youtube videos?
This is ANDY MAC from AKAI making beats and general features overview...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ubI87Ic4bI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUg1sQFFVfk

We just have to assume that if they (AKAI) dont SHOW us how to drag audio tracks out, and only INTO the RENNY software, then this is is a future feature that will drop on later versions RENNY software updates...

As always,
I remain,
2kool4$kool

Wow that completely kills everybody's workflow that uses a DAW. The only way out now is to pickup the outs of the Renaissance with an audio interface for the computer.

Im not trying to start negative rumors about workflow, latency, etc, etc...

BUT, if you watch the youtube videos that I listed above, and see for yourself, unless I am mistaken, then the sounds are saved as individual tracks or stems as an option...

I know that they made this video as an piece to show off what only the RENNY can do by itself, and not shine on another companies product like PROTOOLS or ABLETON, when perhaps in all actuality, it CAN drag and drop IN and OUT from jump street...

chillin' like a villian
yours very truly
2kool4$kool

The MPC Ren/Stuio doesn't have audio tracks. So there is nothing to drag-n-drop in this regard. But it does (like the MPC 5000) allows you to export all your tracks as audio stems to load into your DAW. Exporting allows the mixdown track(s) to maintain automation, effects, etc.

Drag-n-drop 128 tracks versus exporting 128 tracks as audio? I would go for the export function like most DAWs have.

Fair enough, I can deal with exporting project stems. Maschine had the same option but when you exported it, the stems sounded different from the interface, odd really.

I have yet to use this function in Maachine. But that wouldn't be good if the stems sound differently. I have never heard any complaints from other Maachine users.

JAH wrote:I have yet to use this function in Maachine. But that wouldn't be good if the stems sound differently. I have never heard any complaints from other Maachine users.

Same here! However, I do have a complaint about that feature on Maschine, as I've mentioned before. If you use the Vintage mode on any of your sounds, the Vintage mode does not get applied to your sounds when they are dropped into a DAW. Only way to keep the Vintage mode is to track the beat in real-time or export the individual tracks to your hard disk, then drag them into the DAW.

DJ Hellfire wrote:

JAH wrote:I have yet to use this function in Maachine. But that wouldn't be good if the stems sound differently. I have never heard any complaints from other Maachine users.

Same here! However, I do have a complaint about that feature on Maschine, as I've mentioned before. If you use the Vintage mode on any of your sounds, the Vintage mode does not get applied to your sounds when they are dropped into a DAW. Only way to keep the Vintage mode is to track the beat in real-time or export the individual tracks to your hard disk, then drag them into the DAW.

I don't think that's true. I've definitely used the SP-1200 low pass filter on some samples. I DO use audio instead of MIDI though, I don't know if that's why.

DJ Hellfire wrote:Same here! However, I do have a complaint about that feature on Maschine, as I've mentioned before. If you use the Vintage mode on any of your sounds, the Vintage mode does not get applied to your sounds when they are dropped into a DAW. Only way to keep the Vintage mode is to track the beat in real-time or export the individual tracks to your hard disk, then drag them into the DAW.

To me...this kinda makes sense. Maschine's Vintage Mode is just like turning on a filter or inserting an effect. It doesn't physically change the audio. So dragging-n-dropping doesn't print this "effect". I suspect the MPC Ren will perform pretty much the same way.

What information has been made publicly about the ren working in a daw so far? Other then it will operate as a vst,rtas ?

I'm starting to worry about how it will function in my daw, will it allow for transport controls in my daw?

I'm personally not interested in another standalone product.I already own maschine, and it doesn't offer transport control in daws,which I find very limiting.

I hope Akai can let us know if this is going to be possible or not.

bobbybland wrote:What information has been made publicly about the ren working in a daw so far? Other then it will operate as a vst,rtas ?

I'm starting to worry about how it will function in my daw, will it allow for transport controls in my daw?

I'm personally not interested in another standalone product.I already own maschine, and it doesn't offer transport control in daws,which I find very limiting.

I hope Akai can let us know if this is going to be possible or not.

Seriously, there are serious producers out there using DAWs that need to know this information. If the high ups at Akai couldn't understand, I'm sure the engineers and testers should have said something to Akai if it was THAT bad inside of a DAW so I'm sure it's somewhat usable inside a DAW. Although they haven't released any specific info. And the Maschine CAN transport easily inside of a DAW, in the manual, look into drag/drop midi/audio, you have to change midi batch setup and a few preferences depending on what you want dropped into the DAW but it's quite effective and convenient.

GodDevilWhatever wrote:And the Maschine CAN transport easily inside of a DAW

Actually NO it cannot, I'm NOT referring to the basic midi controller mode of Maschine.I'm referring to Maschine as a working plugin vst/rtas, with TRANSPORT controls, ie: sending play rew/ff information via cc/midi clock or what have you in a DAW. Again I'm not referring to Maschine as a simple midi controller,yet the plugin.

I want to clear that up. I've owned Maschine since day 1 and understand it's limitations.This is why I'm so persistent on finding out some real information regarding how the mpc ren Is going to work in a DAW.

I can probably safely say Maschine 2.0 will clear up some of my personal issues with it, like the one above. If the REN doesn't do this, I'd definitely pass on it.Though I'm thinking Akai could do it, as they understand midi clock ,as well as Mtc pretty well, as all of their mpc's in the past could.

So if anyone finds anymore information how the REN will act as a plugin, please post it.

Btw Drag n Drop Audio should also be allowed with the REN, Maschine handles this very well, and constantly bouncing down audio in a daw will get old, drag n drop is much more effective. Sorry for the comparisons, but if you don't get it by now, they are here to stay!

Ah, I thought you meant you can't get sound well from the maschine to the DAW when using it as a plugin. And you can make it transport in certain DAWs, I know I can in Logic Pro by having the maschine as a MIDI entity inside the environment and have it record it's playback like an MPC.

Just like previous MPCs, I am sure that there will be MTC/MIDO Clock/MMC to control the transport/Sync to other MIDI devices to include DAWs. But whether the MPC Ren's transports can control a DAW when its used as a plugin could be a different story. This has been publicly addressed by NI. It is not possible to do with Maschine and it will take a lot of work coding to accomplish this if even possible at all. Maschine 2.0? There is no real indication of NI releasing 2.0 any time soon. Akai will have certainly have a huge advantage if they could accomplish this.

With Maschine having VST instruments/effects and automation, I see no real purpose for drag-n-dropping audio files from it to a DAW. Someone help me understand this.