Bug reports & end-user support for Akai's MPC Software 'controllers' including the new MPC Studio 2, the MPC Touch, MPC Renaissance & original MPC Studio and MPC StudioB lack.
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By DJ Hellfire Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:55 pm
So I've been experimenting with using the Ren to actually mix a beat instead of exporting to Pro Tools. The reason for me doing this is because of the restricted use of the Vintage Mode. Obviously, it only affects the main outputs, and has no affect on individual outs no stem exportation. And I don't feel like doing a bunch of resampling or solo exporting, so I decided to give the Ren's mixer more of a chance. It's not ideal for me but since I kinda feel forced to use it, here are a few suggestions I have that will make life a little easier. I'm sure some of these have probably been mentioned before but I'll mention them anyway.

1. Have the pad bank stay on the current pad bank when I go into the PROG MIX screen. Currently, if I'm in the main screen playing a pad on BANK C, the Ren switches to BANK A (or whatever bank you were last on in the PROG MIX screen) when I go into program mix. Have the Pad Bank setting global. 9 x out of 10, if I'm working out of a current bank and I switch modes, I still want to be working on that same bank in that different mode, not the last bank I was on the last time I was in that mode.

2. Have the plugin GUI display what track that plugin is on. This way if I use the same plugin on two different tracks, I can be sure I'm editing the correct one when I pull up the GUI.

3. Have plugins duplicatable and plugin settings copyable.

4. In song mode, when I press insert, have the cursor automatically move to the newly created step.

5. Now that we are able to only view used tracks, have this also reflect on the hardware screen. Don't put all the track data adjacent to each other. Just simply have the numerical data for unused tracks completely blank.

6. Let us automate Master volume to do track fade outs. Or give us automatic fade out options in the export menu that allows us to set an end fade by amount of bars or amount of seconds. So it will allow me to fade the last 4 bars or the last 12 seconds of a beat for example. And have it so we can change these amounts to whatever we want!

7. A Bypass function for individual plugins since not all plugins have one built in!

8. Ability to rearrange plugin order on a track, pad, or master!

9. Better plugin grouping instead of an alphabetized list. Group them by type and/or manufacturer!

10. Allow us to open multiple plugin windows!
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By IMAKEMADBEATS Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:46 pm
DJ Hellfire wrote:3. Have plugins duplicatable and plugin settings copyable.

7. A Bypass function for individual plugins since not all plugins have one built in!

8. Ability to rearrange plugin order on a track, pad, or master!

9. Better plugin grouping instead of an alphabetized list. Group them by type and/or manufacturer!

10. Allow us to open multiple plugin windows!



:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: !!!!!!!!!!
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By JAH Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:46 am
DJ Hellfire wrote:1. Have the pad bank stay on the current pad bank when I go into the PROG MIX screen. Currently, if I'm in the main screen playing a pad on BANK C, the Ren switches to BANK A (or whatever bank you were last on in the PROG MIX screen) when I go into program mix. Have the Pad Bank setting global. 9 x out of 10, if I'm working out of a current bank and I switch modes, I still want to be working on that same bank in that different mode, not the last bank I was on the last time I was in that mode.

Agree.


DJ Hellfire wrote:2. Have the plugin GUI display what track that plugin is on. This way if I use the same plugin on two different tracks, I can be sure I'm editing the correct one when I pull up the GUI.

Does any other DAW perform this way?

DJ Hellfire wrote:3. Have plugins duplicatable and plugin settings copyable.

Instrument plugins can be duplicated or copied. Great idea if stock FX plugins can be copied or saved as presets like 3rd party plugins I own.

DJ Hellfire wrote:4. In song mode, when I press insert, have the cursor automatically move to the newly created step.

Agree.

DJ Hellfire wrote:5. Now that we are able to only view used tracks, have this also reflect on the hardware screen. Don't put all the track data adjacent to each other. Just simply have the numerical data for unused tracks completely blank.

More accurately, we get the option of showing or hiding unused tracks in the software. I'm mixed on this one.

DJ Hellfire wrote:6. Let us automate Master volume to do track fade outs. Or give us automatic fade out options in the export menu that allows us to set an end fade by amount of bars or amount of seconds. So it will allow me to fade the last 4 bars or the last 12 seconds of a beat for example. And have it so we can change these amounts to whatever we want!

We can currently draw in volume automation for each track.

DJ Hellfire wrote:7. A Bypass function for individual plugins since not all plugins have one built in!

I would like to see bypass for each plugin FX slot versus a single on/off for all effects per track or pad.

DJ Hellfire wrote:8. Ability to rearrange plugin order on a track, pad, or master!

Agree.

DJ Hellfire wrote:9. Better plugin grouping instead of an alphabetized list. Group them by type and/or manufacturer!

Agree.

DJ Hellfire wrote:10. Allow us to open multiple plugin windows!

Mixed on this one unless they implemented it in a non-confusing manner. The Ren is not a typical DAW. When a plugin window is open, its params are mapped to the Qlinks. Having multiple windows open, there would be a way to select which plugin the Qlinks are controlling.
By labcoats Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:08 am
I agree with everything you say HF.
I just wrote a post about the emulation which I'm very impressed with. But this in its self opens up various issues and requires we do the entire song, including mixing inside the Ren - which I have no problem doing except the mixer, the way the plug ins vanish, no bypass, only one instance at a time etc doesn't help at all. Akai do need to look at how all this operates for us Ren users who are feeling the emulation mode. I don't advocate the Ren needs to be a Daw - I'm realistic about that, but there is room for improvement.
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By konc3pt Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:54 am
DJ Hellfire wrote:So I've been experimenting with using the Ren to actually mix a beat instead of exporting to Pro Tools. The reason for me doing this is because of the restricted use of the Vintage Mode. Obviously, it only affects the main outputs, and has no affect on individual outs no stem exportation. And I don't feel like doing a bunch of resampling or solo exporting, so I decided to give the Ren's mixer more of a chance. It's not ideal for me but since I kinda feel forced to use it, here are a few suggestions I have that will make life a little easier. I'm sure some of these have probably been mentioned before but I'll mention them anyway.

1. Have the pad bank stay on the current pad bank when I go into the PROG MIX screen. Currently, if I'm in the main screen playing a pad on BANK C, the Ren switches to BANK A (or whatever bank you were last on in the PROG MIX screen) when I go into program mix. Have the Pad Bank setting global. 9 x out of 10, if I'm working out of a current bank and I switch modes, I still want to be working on that same bank in that different mode, not the last bank I was on the last time I was in that mode.

2. Have the plugin GUI display what track that plugin is on. This way if I use the same plugin on two different tracks, I can be sure I'm editing the correct one when I pull up the GUI.

3. Have plugins duplicatable and plugin settings copyable.

4. In song mode, when I press insert, have the cursor automatically move to the newly created step.

5. Now that we are able to only view used tracks, have this also reflect on the hardware screen. Don't put all the track data adjacent to each other. Just simply have the numerical data for unused tracks completely blank.

6. Let us automate Master volume to do track fade outs. Or give us automatic fade out options in the export menu that allows us to set an end fade by amount of bars or amount of seconds. So it will allow me to fade the last 4 bars or the last 12 seconds of a beat for example. And have it so we can change these amounts to whatever we want!

7. A Bypass function for individual plugins since not all plugins have one built in!

8. Ability to rearrange plugin order on a track, pad, or master!

9. Better plugin grouping instead of an alphabetized list. Group them by type and/or manufacturer!

10. Allow us to open multiple plugin windows!
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By DJ Hellfire Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:11 pm
JAH wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:2. Have the plugin GUI display what track that plugin is on. This way if I use the same plugin on two different tracks, I can be sure I'm editing the correct one when I pull up the GUI.

Does any other DAW perform this way?


Yes, Pro Tools. You can even jump between plugin slots, jump between tracks for the current plugin slot, or change the actual plugin all from within the plugin window.

JAH wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:3. Have plugins duplicatable and plugin settings copyable.

Instrument plugins can be duplicated or copied. Great idea if stock FX plugins can be copied or saved as presets like 3rd party plugins I own.


Yup, only talking about fx plugins; for mixing!



JAH wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:5. Now that we are able to only view used tracks, have this also reflect on the hardware screen. Don't put all the track data adjacent to each other. Just simply have the numerical data for unused tracks completely blank.

More accurately, we get the option of showing or hiding unused tracks in the software. I'm mixed on this one.


Not sure what you mean here!

JAH wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:6. Let us automate Master volume to do track fade outs. Or give us automatic fade out options in the export menu that allows us to set an end fade by amount of bars or amount of seconds. So it will allow me to fade the last 4 bars or the last 12 seconds of a beat for example. And have it so we can change these amounts to whatever we want!

We can currently draw in volume automation for each track.


Yeah, but Too much extra work for such a simple task. And it's impossible to have the same exact fade on every track because you can't accomplish a fade with only two break points. You have to use a million of them and you can't copy automation to other tracks!

JAH wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:7. A Bypass function for individual plugins since not all plugins have one built in!

I would like to see bypass for each plugin FX slot versus a single on/off for all effects per track or pad.


Would work for me!

JAH wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:10. Allow us to open multiple plugin windows!

Mixed on this one unless they implemented it in a non-confusing manner. The Ren is not a typical DAW. When a plugin window is open, its params are mapped to the Qlinks. Having multiple windows open, there would be a way to select which plugin the Qlinks are controlling.


This is where having the plugin display the track in the GUI. You can simply click to select the plugin you want to edit. I'm also not opposed to this being a mouse only feature. Anyway, the purpose of this feature would be mainly for plugins on different tracks that are linked together by a buss selector. For example, the console emulation plugin NLS by Waves. Check this video for more info:


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By IMAKEMADBEATS Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:47 pm
DJ Hellfire wrote:
JAH wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:2. Have the plugin GUI display what track that plugin is on. This way if I use the same plugin on two different tracks, I can be sure I'm editing the correct one when I pull up the GUI.

Does any other DAW perform this way?


Yes, Pro Tools. You can even jump between plugin slots, jump between tracks for the current plugin slot, or change the actual plugin all from within the plugin window.


:lol:
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By JAH Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:58 am
DJ Hellfire wrote:
JAH wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:2. Have the plugin GUI display what track that plugin is on. This way if I use the same plugin on two different tracks, I can be sure I'm editing the correct one when I pull up the GUI.

Does any other DAW perform this way?


Yes, Pro Tools. You can even jump between plugin slots, jump between tracks for the current plugin slot, or change the actual plugin all from within the plugin window.


Ok. I understand what you are saying now. Agreed.

JAH wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:5. Now that we are able to only view used tracks, have this also reflect on the hardware screen. Don't put all the track data adjacent to each other. Just simply have the numerical data for unused tracks completely blank.

More accurately, we get the option of showing or hiding unused tracks in the software. I'm mixed on this one.

You mentioned that we can 'only' view used tracks. But there is an option in the software where you can choose to display or hide used tracks. In the previous version, both used and unused tracks are always displayed.

The hardware shows all used/unused tracks. Are you saying that there should be an option to display or hide unused tracks on the hardware LCD?
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By DJ Hellfire Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:01 am
JAH wrote:
JAH wrote:
DJ Hellfire wrote:5. Now that we are able to only view used tracks, have this also reflect on the hardware screen. Don't put all the track data adjacent to each other. Just simply have the numerical data for unused tracks completely blank.

More accurately, we get the option of showing or hiding unused tracks in the software. I'm mixed on this one.

You mentioned that we can 'only' view used tracks. But there is an option in the software where you can choose to display or hide used tracks. In the previous version, both used and unused tracks are always displayed.

The hardware shows all used/unused tracks. Are you saying that there should be an option to display or hide unused tracks on the hardware LCD?



Yeah, I didn't say we are ONLY ABLE TO view used tracks as in that's all it lets us see. I said we are ABLE TO ONLY view used as in we have the choice to only see what tracks we use.

Yeah, just have the numerical data for unused tracks blank and only show the numerical data for the tracks that are in use.
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By JAH Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:13 am
I get what you are saying now. 'ONLY ABLE TO' versus 'ABLE TO ONLY' same meaning :P