[REQ] Chopped sample to sequence + instrument

When slicing up a sample using (auto) chop mode it would be great to also have the option to get the slices in and anstrument together with the timing information in a drum sequence track.

This would give almost identical result as patch phrase but with the option to rearrange the drum sequence in various ways.

Like changing swapping hits at various positions in the sequence and stuff ilke that. Without loosing the original groove.

Does that make sense?

Yup makes sense and tbh I've been toying with the idea time to time as well... then you wouldn't need to use Recycle or any other app that gives you midi notes based on slice points.

Worth requesting and getting feedback on tho.

Note that this wouldn't work or make any sense with NDC. Only with the "old" CHOP mode where MPC actually slices samples and places them to a new program.

Especially since the timinginfo is already extracted. Patched Phrases surely relies on some kind of timing information. It only needs to be converted to midi events. The slicing and making of a corresponding program is already in JJ OS 2XL.

Request:

When doing CHOP (old style), would it be possible to get midi notes in addition to sliced samples and program so that we could just rearrange samples in sequencer and retain the groove and feel of the original sample.

MPC would check the duration of each slice and place midi notes one after another moving from PAD1 (bank a) -> PAD16 (bank d) or depending on how many samples were sliced. User could then set these to a what ever sequence he wants (like loading .MID).

This is similar to how Propellerheads ReCycle works where user sets slice points and is able to export midi sequence data.

Response:

Your question was sent to JJ as a request.

Thank you.

Didnt really make sense to me. I would use patterns and I would just NDC and swap programs \
Cos I paste a lot of 1 or 2 bars of NDC chops and I like how you can cycle the program to this way right, like same beat kinda but different chops from different programs. So make a pattern and just change the program of the pattern to any NDC you make of any sample loop ort what ever. Does this not do the same thing. or did i not get it?

bliprock wrote:Didnt really make sense to me. I would use patterns and I would just NDC and swap programs \
Cos I paste a lot of 1 or 2 bars of NDC chops and I like how you can cycle the program to this way right, like same beat kinda but different chops from different programs. So make a pattern and just change the program of the pattern to any NDC you make of any sample loop ort what ever. Does this not do the same thing. or did i not get it?

im with blip, if you chop it right then just copy and edit the program, or copy the sequcunce and swap note hits to get your variants.

or am i too missing something?

or just play and record the slices in time.
it pays to be that proficient at playing/editing.

Thanks for the pattern tips, I'm still in the process of wrapping my head around and having them be an essential part of my workflow.

Each to their own, but imo this would easily allow quick experimentation of any arbitrary sample/loop to your existing work and keep it as it was for the parts that work, nudge it here and there, get rid of notes not working etc... and as we're talking about patterns, save the groove as a new pattern.

This doesn't try to replace anything, just to add flexibility, remove one step that's required from the user if so desired and best of all utilizes stuff that's already there.

This is essentially the 'slice to midi' feature of ableton. Which is a dam useful tool and I would love it in the mpc. While its true that it's worth getting good at playing things manually it would be very handy to be able to have a pattern on hand that contains slice locations as something tangible for the sake of workflow.

It could also tie in with custom metronome / swing templates which would be cool

golfdogz wrote:This is essentially the 'slice to midi' feature of ableton. Which is a dam useful tool and I would love it in the mpc. While its true that it's worth getting good at playing things manually it would be very handy to be able to have a pattern on hand that contains slice locations as something tangible for the sake of workflow.

It could also tie in with custom metronome / swing templates which would be cool

I do not know about ableton. But if you turn on NDC and make it a program, then make it midi it does just what you are saying right. i mean i can bang out on midi keyboard the chops of the NDC program. And I can use midi TC as well. So maybe you should try it that way. THat is what you are missing IMO. So just get that drum loop sample or what ever turn on the NDC. And you will see that in fact if you get two samples that say are a bar long and use NDC with same amount of chops (as the number of chops can be changed) and you get the same division right. Now I would just make program of the NDCs and you can then swap em round in the sequence. But you have to use sequence to set groove, which is better IMHO. but yeah the NDC chop to program gives you chop to midi note number. And well I have no issue setting my chops by hand and do not like ever really have the exact same chop right, so as I say if they are similar bar and set to same NDC number of chops it is like a template and is very close. In fact might as well be same. Pattern to pad gives you a sequence from a track so you could make a pad trigger a pattern of the chop. easy. And just change program for what you are saying. every hit in pattern is a pad/midi note. so can be transposed, changed and edited to get what you are saying. So make two sequences tracks to patterns, so you can hear your chop, say every chop in a row so you can hear the chops play as originally intended, and one pattern for your chop pattern you want. So does not matter what sample of a bar you put in the NDC program it will be pretty close to the same.

bliprock wrote:

golfdogz wrote:This is essentially the 'slice to midi' feature of ableton. Which is a dam useful tool and I would love it in the mpc. While its true that it's worth getting good at playing things manually it would be very handy to be able to have a pattern on hand that contains slice locations as something tangible for the sake of workflow.

It could also tie in with custom metronome / swing templates which would be cool

I do not know about ableton. But if you turn on NDC and make it a program, then make it midi it does just what you are saying right. i mean i can bang out on midi keyboard the chops of the NDC program. And I can use midi TC as well. So maybe you should try it that way. THat is what you are missing IMO. So just get that drum loop sample or what ever turn on the NDC. And you will see that in fact if you get two samples that say are a bar long and use NDC with same amount of chops (as the number of chops can be changed) and you get the same division right. Now I would just make program of the NDCs and you can then swap em round in the sequence. But you have to use sequence to set groove, which is better IMHO. but yeah the NDC chop to program gives you chop to midi note number. And well I have no issue setting my chops by hand and do not like ever really have the exact same chop right, so as I say if they are similar bar and set to same NDC number of chops it is like a template and is very close. In fact might as well be same. Pattern to pad gives you a sequence from a track so you could make a pad trigger a pattern of the chop. easy. And just change program for what you are saying. every hit in pattern is a pad/midi note. so can be transposed, changed and edited to get what you are saying. So make two sequences tracks to patterns, so you can hear your chop, say every chop in a row so you can hear the chops play as originally intended, and one pattern for your chop pattern you want. So does not matter what sample of a bar you put in the NDC program it will be pretty close to the same.

otherwise you can use the jjchop:
http://webs.ono.com/rcastilla/jjchop/Overview.htm

Of course it's always a good thing to make things by hand and learn to be precise. Then you could play drums instead of using a machine.

However I use the machine and I see a definite value in the feature I suggested. So did Ableton (obviously) and Recycle. It's all in there in the MPC 1000 (the events are calculated for patch phrase but not extracted to midi) so it's quite a small feature request in that sense. And of course any one who wants to do it by hand instead don't need to use it. As with all other features suggested.

angel wrote:otherwise you can use the jjchop:
http://webs.ono.com/rcastilla/jjchop/Overview.htm

Thanks for that tip. I tried it some year ago and found it not so user friendly.
However there's a new program I liked better:
http://mpcmaid.sourceforge.net/

But I'd really like to have it right inside the MPC.

How do you extract midi from the sample?

If I open up the sample in Trim mode and activate Chop (non destructive chop) in the upper field I can:
- Adjust start/end of each chop
- Zoom in/zoom out
- Reverse (this is for monitoring only I guess)
- Slice (if I don't want to do everything manually)
- Create a new program with samples that equals the chops

That's it. How would you extract the timing of the audioevents into midi events on a sequence track?

I mean, I understand that I can access the slices by midi note number but I want the timing from the original groove converted to midi events playing these notes(like Recycle).

bliprock wrote:I do not know about ableton. But if you turn on NDC and make it a program, then make it midi it does just what you are saying right. i mean i can bang out on midi keyboard the chops of the NDC program. And I can use midi TC as well. So maybe you should try it that way. THat is what you are missing IMO. So just get that drum loop sample or what ever turn on the NDC. And you will see that in fact if you get two samples that say are a bar long and use NDC with same amount of chops (as the number of chops can be changed) and you get the same division right. Now I would just make program of the NDCs and you can then swap em round in the sequence. But you have to use sequence to set groove, which is better IMHO. but yeah the NDC chop to program gives you chop to midi note number. And well I have no issue setting my chops by hand and do not like ever really have the exact same chop right, so as I say if they are similar bar and set to same NDC number of chops it is like a template and is very close. In fact might as well be same. Pattern to pad gives you a sequence from a track so you could make a pad trigger a pattern of the chop. easy. And just change program for what you are saying. every hit in pattern is a pad/midi note. so can be transposed, changed and edited to get what you are saying. So make two sequences tracks to patterns, so you can hear your chop, say every chop in a row so you can hear the chops play as originally intended, and one pattern for your chop pattern you want. So does not matter what sample of a bar you put in the NDC program it will be pretty close to the same.