Thinking of getting a 60 to control the 1k. Good Idea?

I was thinking of getting a 60 to control the 1k If I find one for around $500. Mainly for the timing. I thought about this a couple times, but never gave it much serious consideration, that is until I started getting frustrated with the timing of the 1k.

I was also looking at the ASQ 10. If I use that as a sequencer will it give me the same timing as the 60? I've only seen the ASQ's on the internet, so I have no experience with them.

The other thing I'm leaning more towards is getting a 2xl and selling the 1k, but I just want to consider some other options.

Why does every body complain about the timing on the 1K. I ohnestly have not had a single problem with the timing. Can some one explain to me what the problem is that every one is having?

The Beat Conductor wrote:Why does every body complain about the timing on the 1K. I ohnestly have not had a single problem with the timing. Can some one explain to me what the problem is that every one is having?

I've used the 60 and 4k. All them joints have different timing. The 1k's timing is the most "unnatural" to my ears. It's just very rigid sounding, and it takes too much work to not make it sound as rigid. In fact it could turn into a nightmare. I usually find that by the time I mess with the timing, it really just takes the wind outta my sails when working. I figure why bother with all this nonsense when I know there is an MPC out there where when I lay a pattern down it sounds nice right away, or the adjusting of the time is easy and minimal, and doesn't mess too much with workflow.

Besides, the MPC's hold their value. If I switch my set up around with different MPC's it's really not a big deal. I probably won't lose any money since I bought my 1k used.

that timing must really be getting to you. I have a 4k and 1k, and since I had the 1k first I tend to have more timing issues with the 4k, but I got it all worked out. on both I just use 16(3) I don't mess with the others with the swing settings and I get my stuff how I want it to come out

I have messed with laying stuff down in 16(3) on both the 4k and 1k. It came out OK. I will try and mess it some more. Later today. I'll probably spend a good few hours or so tonight just experimenting a lil more. I'm not getting rid of the 1k right away. I still want to see what the next OS is like before I throw in the towel. The portability, cf cards, all the RAM and filters are just too nice to give up on it right this second. I just like to explore my options, cause I don't like feeling stuck with something.

honestly that is one of the dumbest things i heard in a minute. why not get a 60 and then a rack? U dont want to use the 1000's sampler, unless you have to. No need to drag another sequncer into it. And i think they are the same ppqn's so that a 60 wouldnt really matter. Its more of your timing then the machine. Keep the 1000 and then get a rackmount sampler.

binger0 wrote:honestly that is one of the dumbest things i heard in a minute. why not get a 60 and then a rack? U dont want to use the 1000's sampler, unless you have to. No need to drag another sequncer into it. And i think they are the same ppqn's so that a 60 wouldnt really matter. Its more of your timing then the machine. Keep the 1000 and then get a rackmount sampler.

I was thinking of the 60 and a rack also. ppqn's don't really mean anything binger. the timing and feel is a lot different between these machines. Keeping the 1000 and getting a rack doesn't make any sense if I want something with different timing for one shots.

I will see. Just exploring options.

oh and I was thinking of controlling the 1k with the 60 because the fact that the 1k does have madd RAM, filters, and the CF cards just make it very easy for PC editing. Plus I still have something rather portable that I can just easily pack up in a bag and take with me wherever.

I'm with Binger0.

Ditch the 1000 and cop a 60 and a very good rack. Then you'll have the loose, funky timing and great sample editing/synthesis options.

What's the point of having portability if you're not completely satisfied with the results you get from the portable unit? You have to give and take.

BassLINE wrote:I'm with Binger0.

Ditch the 1000 and cop a 60 and a very good rack. Then you'll have the loose, funky timing and great sample editing/synthesis options.

What's the point of having portability if you're not completely satisfied with the results you get from the portable unit? You have to give and take.

Good Point.

I don't know about all that technical talk...but Vaskeen seems to make some pretty ill beats using his 1k. This kid named Jessiah that used to frequent to forums also makes some nice stuff on his 1k. Drums were on point and all that.

Something Like That wrote:I don't know about all that technical talk...but Vaskeen seems to make some pretty ill beats using his 1k. This kid named Jessiah that used to frequent to forums also makes some nice stuff on his 1k. Drums were on point and all that.

You can get the drums on-point with the 1k, but I find it a real pain in the ass. It really disturbs my workflow. Before I make my decision I'm going to see about trying my boys 60 again.

I would like to try out a 2xl to see what it's like to. The problem is I don't know anyone that has one. There is one store in town that may have one in stock. Maybe I'll take my minidisc loaded with samples and try it out in the store just so I know what I'm getting into if I go that route.

What makes it such a pain? I takes me forever to get my drums going the way I want, but I don't think of it as a disturbance of workflow, just another step in the creation of whatever I'm working on.

In fact, I don't know many kats that can just bang out the drums just how they want them in 15 minutes and be done with it. I usually spend about 4 hours on drums, 2 hours on messing with the sample, keys, filters, ect...and then 3 to 4 hours recording different takes and lacing accapellas. Most of my beats take 8-12 hours to make but I'm satisfied with the product. I think your going to run into the same thing on any mp. Of course, I've never owned a 1k so I could be very wrong.

wow. 4 hours on drums??? i bang beats out in 15 minutes but i'm with binger, also just practice practice practice with/without quantize on. you have an MPC man. it doesn't matter which one you have, because heads have good drums on sp303s and grooveboxes, and you have a sequencer in the MPC that technically blows the others out the water. there is no reason other then the users ability why you cant get a good sound out of it

its all in your head, just practice with no quantize and you'll be a pro in no time. remember you can swing each drum wherever/however you want without quantization, saving you time and note shifting and all that. just an idea

FLUENT wrote:wow. 4 hours on drums??? i bang beats out in 15 minutes but i'm with binger, also just practice practice practice with/without quantize on. you have an MPC man. it doesn't matter which one you have, because heads have good drums on sp303s and grooveboxes, and you have a sequencer in the MPC that technically blows the others out the water. there is no reason other then the users ability why you cant get a good sound out of it

its all in your head, just practice with no quantize and you'll be a pro in no time. remember you can swing each drum wherever/however you want without quantization, saving you time and note shifting and all that. just an idea

yup and ppqns are very important. thsts the resolution on the sequncer.So thats how accurate it is when u hit a pad to it recieving the data and placing it. U just have bad timing, its not the seq engine. Timing isnt something that u can learn in a month, it takes years to develop good rhtym and natural swing. The seqs are the same on both these mpcs though so i wouldnt trade up shit. I would add a rack and just get down like that cause the 1000 is a damn good sequncer, just a shitty sampler. But when u throw a nice rack in there then your set.