mpc 3000le vs mpc 2000xl

elmacaco wrote:Ow come on 3000, you're being a bit harsh,

If we use discontinued gear, it's good to see who used it before to hear alternative ways of sing it.

and as for this being present more on the 60 / 3000 forum, I bet most people got the 2000 or XL because verybody uses it. Think about all those Kanye Clap and lil jon hats posts, whaty kind of MPC do you think them biters have sitting there while they ask that question? The 2000 gets bought a lot because of so many DJ's and such have them. You don't have to look far to find a 2000 user, shyt I bet lots of people got it cuz pete rock got one, even though his tracks kinda lost something after he switched and bfore he kept using both.

I am glad when people still use the 60 / 3000 despite that the overarching consumer mindset tells you to get the latest and greatest to defeat the terrorists!

cmon elma, that is an unfair statement, i got my mp cause its all i ever knew, apart from the 60 after seeing sly use it, but when i saw the price of the 60 stock it was like 800 pounds, compared to 450 for my mp fully maxxed out with effects board, zip drive and 2gig externa scsi drive. i would love a 60 or 3000 and i do plan on getting one, when i know wit in myself i am competent on what i am using. the only thing that has stopped me from getting one at this moment is cause i got the 950, which i just love and since it is like the engine of the 60 without the sequencer then i can hold off.
another reason i got my mp was i wanted to move from software, sequencers, and of course the way dancehall was produced in the studio, in jamaica, its more of a vibes things, u interact with all thedjs, and keyborad players and engineer, bout 20 man in there including 16 djs, and dem a write lyrics, and then beenie man would a come round by sly and beat to drum on it, and every body would a go yeeeh pram pram pram, legal and its just a good atmosphere, and from there i realise i cant get those vibes from computer software, i want to enjoy making music cause its my energy and vibes that i put in to it, give my music life, and unfortunately software doesnot do that for me.

hence etting my mp,
i only ever knew about madlib, slum village lil john crunk, and all these artist since i came to mpc forums. so they have no influence on me,

elmacaco wrote: You don't have to look far to find a 2000 user, shyt I bet lots of people got it cuz pete rock got one, even though his tracks kinda lost something after he switched and bfore he kept using both.

So TRUE!! I got that new Pete Rock Instrumental CD and ALL THE TRACKS LACK BOTTOM!! Other than That the CD would be Bangin!! Pete was suppose
to be using the MPC 3000 for a While I wonder why he stop??

Now Skala, I am not slagging 2k users, I'm just sayin that saying that MPC3000 saying that the 60 /3000 forum talks more about who uses what than the 2k forum, well, that's cuz the 60 and 3000 are discontinued but some people stick with them cuz they see the value it has to them. Hen I got an Emax I was wondering who still used it because so many people were dissing it. also it is good to hear what other people do with the equipment because it can give you some ideas.

But also because it's not hard to find a 2000 user in music today, it is like finding a triton user, just throw a stone. Not to say that they suck or anything, but people already know who uses a 2k, I can name more 2k users than 60 users, stil doesn't mean I want a 2k or XL. Plus many people were getting 2k's and trinity's back in the day because it was the defacto hip hop set up, so I would venture that more people have bought 2k's based on unofficial endorsements than 60s. Try finding someone that still uses a JS-30, really tough cuz it's crap, some cats still use the DJ-70 II, If I had them I would look, just as if I had a violin and played it, I would listen to other people to hear their technique. Most people using a 2k or XL are doing pretty straight forward stuff, so technique isn't such a mystery.

When I bought my 60 I knew it was what I wanted, I am an old school kind of guy. I came from an analog set up. and a friend of mine told me about the 60 after selling his, so when it hit me to consider it, I read the manuals, read reviews, but did not know of anyone using it until my friend told me about Shadow after I bought it, and honestly i wasn't a big fan of his first album, which I also heard after I bought the 60.

ya smell me?

i hear tht

young_keyz:
"What you think makes the 3k better is only something you use to"

Thanks, and a very good post.

I do not make such statements to condone any MPC user. I currently own three MPC models, and have owned more gear along with "legendary" pieces, such as the SP-1200. I am likely one of the few qualified here to make MPC-vs-MPC comparisons. Unlike some people, I do not comment on gear I do not own. The fact of the matter is that the equipment does not write the music. The equipment is simply a tool for an artist's expression. I can sit down and write the same tune on any one of the MPC's and I do not let anything stand in the way of me getting that music out of my head into recorded material.

Strangely I have noticed that gear somewhat parallels some aspects of software programming. I can code the same utility in C, Java, Perl, Python, Clips, VB or Smalltalk. In some years, some languages are more "popular" that others, but this does not make a difference to a real programmer.

"and as for this being present more on the 60 / 3000 forum, I bet most people got the 2000 or XL because verybody uses it"

The fact that there are more 2000 owners than others is not in question. Actually there *are* more 2000 owners since AP sold more of them. The reason they sold more might be in question, but you cannot disregard the impact that the 2k's were more affordable than the previous models. The same will be true with the MPC1000 since it is still yet cheaper. MPC2000 owners are already saying that the MPC1000 does not "sound" the same or does not have the same "swing" as the MPC2000. Sound familiar? Did they learn that argument from MPC3000 owners or just a natural retaliation? No generation appreciates the following generations.

I suppose that's right, but I do not believe they are incorrect (2000 owners on the 1000) It is different. Worse? Probably not sound wise, but reliability wise it seems so to me for the kinds of problems people post frequently on the 1000 forum. It's obvious that it isn't all of them, but it seems to point to a QC problem, rampant now that cheap labor rules the international markets.

I actually love the impact the 2000 has had on the market, much of my favorite music was created with a 2000. But it's popularity is why you would see more people trying to find out about the 60 and 3000. Because that info isn't as readily available, but as far as people basing their decisions on who uses it? I think the 2000 just because of the sheer popularity and cheap price it more guilty of that, so please don't aim that shot at us since we are you too.

Sure, I could use any MPC to great effect, but there are things I prefer on the 60, and there are others who do to.

And I do answer questions on machines I do not own if I think I might be able to give someone a direction to look in to solve their problem. in the process they may find out that I am completely wrong, but I still helped.

WHAT'S A MPC THAT EVERYBODY KEEPS TALKIN ABOUT!!!

DOES IT STAND FOR


MUSICAL PERVERTED lady's private parts'S

"but reliability wise it seems so to me for the kinds of problems people post frequently on the 1000 forum. It's obvious that it isn't all of them, but it seems to point to a QC problem,"

This is something that all new pieces go through. The same happened with the MPC60 and MPC3000. When something is bought new, people have impossibly high expectations from it. Once something is out of production and only available on the second hand market then all the talk of the bugs and incomplete OS disappears. The same is true of really any purchase, like houses and autos. It's just a fact of business.

Come back in ten years, after a couple more models have been released and people will be talking about the special groove of the MPC1000. No one will be complaining about the bugs.

We are not living in any "special" time. There is nothing unique about what we are doing here. The same sort of speak about gear has been said for as long as there has been disposable income to spent it on. The same speak will be made years after we are gone. To assume that we happen to live at the "better" time and own the "better" piece of gear (which was designed by a guitarist!?) is arrogant and closed-minded. I doubt that some the most famous people in musical history were really as concerned about the equipment they owned. They were good with music itself, not with any particular "system".

Very true, but still, the bug complaints dissapeared on the S5000/6000 because they released a good OS, same with the 60, once a solid OS is out, bugs are minimal. But Timing issues? weird drop outs (not polyphony related) etc., you're telling me that you wouldn't be pissed at that? Sure in 10 years if all the bugs are fixed, the 1000 will be less of a gamble to uy, hell probably in about 2 years, otherwise you have to pray for as good one or do multiple returns like a few of my friends have.

Yeah, I get it, it's the person, not the gear that makes the music, but don't you have gear that you really enjoy using? Or do you compose on logic some days, mpc another, an Atari ST the next day, then play live to a4 track the next?

Musicians are very gear conscious, we are talking about sound and composition, sure we can use anything, but to think Musicians are not concerned with gear, just music making is a bit of oversimplification. Even MC's want to know that you are using protools for reasons they themselves don't understand.

Sure the gear doesn't make the music without you, but you gotta have gear that makes you smile while you write, whatever that may be.

You wanted a pic, here's Kenny Dope Gonzalez of Masters at Work. In 2001's CD booklet you can see Dre standing in front of a MPC3K and EMU SP-1200 also.

ps. last night Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut was on TV. there is a scene where the piano player (Mr. Nottingale I seem to remember) performs during the orgy in the house. guess what does his setup include? OG MPC3000. Get the DVD if you don't believe my word (it's a classic movie anyway, it's well worth it).

SO WHY DID THE MPC3000 MADE IT INTO A KUBRICK MOVIE AND NOT THE 2000XL?!?



only joking

"Sure the gear doesn't make the music without you, but you gotta have gear that makes you smile while you write, whatever that may be."

Only if you are hobbyist. A professional can and will use whatever is at hand. You even confirm this, "Even MC's want to know that you are using protools for reasons they themselves don't understand." So what do you do if you do not like PT? You use PT and put on a smile as a professional.


" But Timing issues? weird drop outs (not polyphony related) etc."

I have no idea what these are and have not been able to confirm them. I use the MPC1000 a lot and have used it out on 2 recent gigs. No problems.

"Only if you are hobbyist. A professional can and will use whatever is at hand. You even confirm this, "Even MC's want to know that you are using protools for reasons they themselves don't understand." So what do you do if you do not like PT? You use PT and put on a smile as a professional"

Weird statement. PT is a recording medium, not an instrument. That's stuff for recording engineers, it's just not supposed to inspire you or make you smile, unlike an MPC. I think most professional musician will only use what they feel comfortable with, great guitar players for example are known to be really fussy, why shouldn't MPC3000ists?

And anyway the kind of MC bothering about PT 99% of the times will not tell the difference between a Neumann U67 and a Behringer if you put a sticker on the brand logo.

Yeah, I disagree, Professional musicians aren't gonna do their thing on just any gear, they are quite picky, guitarists, piano players, String players pay thousands for their instruments, are you telling me they aren't professionals because they refuse to use a yamaha student violin?

Just because you can use anything, doesn't mean you have to just to prove you can.

And if you have no preference, you are the exception not the rule. Most people have go to gear. And this hobbiest vs. Pro thing is really weak, you are generalizing, like your opinion is the pro, and everyone elses isn't. You know how many pro's have the gear they need rented at the studios they are going to work at? also, your example is of a professional slave (aka engineer) not a producer or song writer. SUre a professional janitor will use whatever mop is at the place, but that's a misleading statement. Are you gonna give Stevie Wonder a trombone cuz you don't have a keyboard or harmonica? Or a casio instead of a clav? C'mon now, you gotta know you are stretching this.

much respect anyhow.

Pro's are much pickier than hobbiests about gear, since the price doesnt matter to them, but to the hobbiest it does.

I never said professionals do not have a preference, just that a professional can use whatever is needed and get the job done. In other words, I bet Stevie Wonder can play a trombone better than most of us. I get hired to help other musicians with their music. Most of them use software setups, but I can still use it and get the job done. Do I like it? Not really, but it sure does pay some bills. Do I tell them they have the wrong or inferior equipment? No.

Should I knock the senior-VP for driving a Hyundai to work and say that she should be driving an Acura like me? Why should MPC3000 owners think they have better equipment or can do a better job than MPC2000 or MPC1000 owners? Haven't already agreed that it isn't the equipment, but the person? You can not blame the equipment for bad music, unless of course, it is a Roland. :)

If you are buying a piece of gear thinking that you can make "better" music on it because you may enjoy it better than the less-expensive model, then you are likely buying it for the wrong reasons. Watch out for gear lust. I had it and took me years to get over.

"And anyway the kind of MC bothering about PT 99% of the times will not tell the difference between a Neumann U67 and a Behringer if you put a sticker on the brand logo."

The same goes for the MPC series. I write music in the MPC1000 and MPC2000 and tell people that it is the MPC3000 all the time. Everyone is fooled.