thinkin about trading my 3000 for an sp1200

I love how people bust out their philosophy degrees when there's nothing more to be said.

Some people will be happiest with an SP. Happy is the point to all this right? Happy making music?

^agreed.

I hear all of you and I realize I'm starting down a slippery path with this kind of thing. I'm definitely gonna stick with the 3000 for the time being. Its not that i dont make bangin beats with it, but just the work flow issue. I just want to hit the drums and move on to other aspects of the song cause the drums sound dope right out the box. But i know there is no easy answer. Just wanted some opinions and well i got em. Thanks Peace

so say you make a midi file in like cubase or something, and load it up on the 3000 or 1200, and use it so sequence sounds inside the computer, it will sound different?Or does it count time differently, so youll have to actually program the drums and both will sound different?

1200 has a much lower resolution so it will adjust the notes accordingly the 3000 i'm sure is much higher resolution and should sound closer to the original computer sequence. It's all about how the engine swings the notes....and the SP is just erratic! You can't achieve that feel from any other machine because the notes are literally shifting themselves during playback....sometimes they fall 67% and other times they might fall 68% - it's constantly moving on its own humanized clock.....it's really organic and supernatural at times......That's one reason why I really dig the SP. I enjoy both machines equally. If I had the choice i'd put the SP sample engine and filters on the MPC-60 interface and OS. That blasted LSI sound chip uses the Alias filter and sounds just a tad too clean.

Lately i've been using the internal sound compression a lot more on the 60 and it really does sound rawer than I previously thought. It kinda softens up the transients a lot and makes them muffled a bit. Although not SP grimey it's grimey.

As far as the 3000 goes don't be fooled by a lot of professional producers. Many of them are using studio recorded drum kits and are spending hours upon hours pre-EQing their drums through other various equipment. Jay Dee and Dj Spinna got some of the hardest 3000 drums known to date.

word Drumatic...me and Low Pass Filter were just conversating about the 3k and SP1200 yesterday and how Jay Dilla be fooling cats by talking about he rocks the 3k 100% solo and has those drums kicking ya teeth in.

Something Like That wrote:word Drumatic...me and Low Pass Filter were just conversating about the 3k and SP1200 yesterday and how Jay Dilla be fooling cats by talking about he rocks the 3k 100% solo and has those drums kicking ya teeth in.

Word. I had an opportunity to meet DJ Clark Kent(Salt & Pepa and Dana Dane Fame). He played me some of his stuff. It was all hot tracks. When I asked him what he used, he answered, just the SP1200. I guess he didn't want to reveal his secrets cause no way was all that heat in those songs coming from the SP1200. I mean, I've heard guys rock the SP1200 and you go, Damn, all of that out of that machine. But Clark Kent's studio is sick. These producer's use more than the MPC3K and SP1200 to get their sound.

One thing to consider is that The MPC 3k has Digital Sampling. One Key to get a Drum Sounds is Resampling. Dre does this with 3k pretty well, sampling Eqing the Sample Layering then, RESAMPLING IT AS HOT AS POSSIBLE. It makes his drums PainfullyLOUD! Don't think there is Digital option on the Sp 1200. Don't get me wrong is one of the Best Sampling Drummachines ever so it all depends what your trying to accomplish in your Beatmaking!

Philly Stress wrote:One thing to consider is that The MPC 3k has Digital Sampling....Don't think there is Digital option on the Sp 1200.

the SP1200 is a digital sampler.

By definition, it is digital.

What is analog sampling.....either straight to tape, or straight to a real-time dubplate cutter (if those even exist).

Edit: Did you mean the digital I/O, as opposed to digitally sampling an analog input?

TicToc wrote:

Philly Stress wrote:One thing to consider is that The MPC 3k has Digital Sampling....Don't think there is Digital option on the Sp 1200.

the SP1200 is a digital sampler.

By definition, it is digital.

What is analog sampling.....either straight to tape, or straight to a real-time dubplate cutter (if those even exist).

Edit: Did you mean the digital I/O, as opposed to digitally sampling an analog input?

The Sp 1200 Doesn't have a Digital I/O. The MPC 3000 Does.

ok, thats what I thought you meant.

Word up.

How do you resample with the 3000?

yeah actually the secret is recording drums from your sampler to your ADAT, DAT or CD recorder playing them enough per track to really EQ them up and then re sample them back into the 3000 etc and run a rudimentary cycle etc until you get the sound you're content with. Most cats do this with pre-EQ and pre-compression. I used to run my dbx 266xl compressor with its sustain, attack and decay settings and i'd really make the sp12 turbo drums bang hard as shit right out from the machine. Now i'm getting into more pre production so I don't have to EQ so much at the mixdown stage. I also realized that a lot of cats use the STEREO outs as opposed ot the 8 outs. I guess this makes for the fastest way to create beats and not get bogged down with post EQ. Not really sure.....but i'm waiting to get the loot together for a parametric EQ and a freakin dbx 160 A (old school classic compression with analog VU meter). They go for around 3-600 depending on condition.

drumatic got it right with using fat samples to begin with, whichever way you do it is good (even digitally...you can hear difference in music when doods take time with their shit, regardless), the sampling chain is where its at. i got nice claps and rims using just a mic plugged into a cheap ass presonus tubamp. the 3K handled it perfectly.

as far as my quantize comment, drums just magically sound fatter when unquantized, wasnt talking bout sequencing or nothing. 1 beezys.

I prefer to quantize then adjust my drums. I do all my drum sequences double time tempo, 1/8th note swing and then play out a basic pattern. I then turn off quantization and go back in to the sequence with stepedit mode and go to town placing and shifting drums accordingly. I'll also adjust all the velocity as needed. Then i'll play the sequence again and see how it sounds and if it needs some more fine tuning i'll do so.....but i'm telling yall step edit is where it's at.....mad cats sleep on that shit. You too can experience the best of both worlds....if you just give it a chance.

DRUMZ.1