one has to go...MPC 60 vs. MPC 3000 LE which would you keep?

I make POLKA on my SP1200, MPC3000, & MPC2000XL. I think I need an MPC60 MK1 so I can create some new Waltz'. What do you think?!!!! Can I get a 60 to sound like an Accordian?!!!!

wow, didn't mean to bring the musical elitists out so they can get on the soapbox.

I enjoy the music I make, from the process of doing it to the end result. That's all that matters. If me or one of my friends can throw some lyrics over it and make someone else feel what we were thinking, feeling, or doing at that time than I'm happy with that.

you don't like rap? cool, I don't like techno. rap sounds simple to you? techno sounds simple to me...just like the original question

I was just thinking about it you know? which one to get rid of and why? thought I'd post it up and some good info and thoughts came from it. I appreciate the people who added to that. That's what I surround myself with for the most part. Cool ass people, good vibes, dope emcees, friends and family....that whole elitist gearslut engineer made at the world bullsh*t has got to go

fukkouttahere, hit up the 1000 forum with your "Unce" tracks at 1000 bpm's

hey, you're not from brooklyn, don't b sayin brooklyn things!

guidos(the stereotype yer potrayin) listen to trance more htan hip hop:p they're the ones gunna be sayin that!

don't confuse stereotypes

hip hop always leads to fights sorry had to say it lol, at a drum n bass weekly, there's never any fights, then roc raida spins one night(monday) and what happens? a fist fight!:-p

Deta!L wrote:
I enjoy the music I make, from the process of doing it to the end result. That's all that matters. If me or one of my friends can throw some lyrics over it and make someone else feel what we were thinking, feeling, or doing at that time than I'm happy with that.

See that's what it all about, what works for you and allows you to work the way you want to.
Your choices are never wrong if you make them for the right reasons.
Follow your instinct and don't destroy your vibe if it's working just expand it.
Any MPC will get the job done, it just about which MPC gets it done the way you like to work.

Deta!l, while you are thinking try 2 things;
1) sampling drumz into the S-950 for that 12-bit sound then resampling them to the 3k
2) try sampling drumz into the S-950 and triggering them from the 3k

If to your ears and to your workflow either one yields the same results as sampling the drumz into the 60, then your choice might seem a little clearer and allow you to get closer to that mixer, preamp, effects unit or whatever you want to add.
Since the 60 and 3k cover the same basic ground it not to bad.
If you think that a mixer will allow you to make your 60 knock like the 3k then again the 60 with the S-950 could just as easily replace the 3k.
Just be true to the way you like to grind and you'll be alright.
Just holla back and let us know what you decided, some of us would like to know.

Without insulting anyone, I feel this is kinda leading the wrong way...
After reading all the ish, I figured there would only be 1 solution that would satisfy me if i had a similar scenario infront of me.

Detail, don't rush yourself. The 3k and 60 will most likely not drop in value in the next month. Take your time, sit down and just USE these units seperately.
Use them alone, use each of 'em with a s950. Do whatever you think helps you explore the differences and most importantly the points that you value the most whilst using these machines. If you really cant decide, just put the 60 in the closet for a week or so,.. youll know if you'll want it back..

Don't pressure yourself by thinking : damn I neeeeed to make my mind up and get rid of one fast....

I was gonna post w/o taking a side this time but I have to dig up this comment made about the 3k being outdated:

First of all, this is a choice between 3k and 60 so this issue actually doesnt even belong into the discussion.

Second thing is, if you really used older machines I bet you would not just throw all mpc's in one drawer.
Perhaps thats just me, but I see a HUGE margin between the 60s/3ks & anything that came after these machines (not to mention roger linns part in the production of these dinos..)

Last thing I'd like to say about this is that I do know what functions I should be missing but I'm not missing them at all,... eventhough I work on "modern" mpcs frequently. A lot of what is considered the top of hiphop production still uses a 3000 these days. These ppl have a LOAD of machines & making beats is their JOB.
Don't you think somebody who really cares about their craft would try and evolve somehow? Don't you think there is a reason Swiss and vairous others still rock em eventhough they have the money and gift to do what ever they'd want?

Now I'm NOT mentioning this since I believe this is the greatest thing ever and that I, for some reason, need to convince everyone that they have to use it....
I'm mentioning this because the main point about being outdated is not the machine, its you. If you feel better on a 4k with a huge screen, perfect! But on the other hand, don't be enslaved by the "60 myth". Eventhough I don't own this machine I do know that it is probably the most standing out MPC EVER. Just take a second to think if you really love using the machine or if you love being a 60 head, because I know you sixtyaddicts are hard on that, jsut keep it in mind, detail As we already agreed, when it comes to choice of gear there is only one right way: yours

I'm also supporter of the dont fix what isnt broken motto but I must say it is always good to be open and keep an eye out for new stuff.
I'd never thought I'd be wanting a post-2000 sampler ever untill I checked out the esx1...

So enough bla bla from my side, just let me wrap this up with one sentence:

Be yourself, outside info is always helpfull but dont let it twist your head.

Hope you make the decision you will be comfortable with and also that this post it not totally worthless & give you a more objective perspective on the subject, homie

pz.toon

thanks for the advice yall, foreal I appreciate it...sorry about the rant

Deta!L my polka comment was just a joke. I hope you got it!

I've had a similiar dillema-REALLY. I have a 3000, 2000XL and the SP-1200. The only thing I know is the 3000 will never go anywhere. That is my favorite of all of them.

Good luck my friend-Seriously. If you ever need any synth advice, that I can always help you with.

i'll say it. fukkouttahere. too many hipster fags in brooklyn these days, actin like they been there from day one. you'd knwo that, drum n bass was derived from hiphop. if you dont understand it, dont disrespect it.

3001 wrote:hey, you're not from brooklyn, don't b sayin brooklyn things!

guidos(the stereotype yer potrayin) listen to trance more htan hip hop:p they're the ones gunna be sayin that!

don't confuse stereotypes

hip hop always leads to fights sorry had to say it lol, at a drum n bass weekly, there's never any fights, then roc raida spins one night(monday) and what happens? a fist fight!:-p

actually drum n bass came from funk n soul, so did hip hop. just because hip hop came from funk n soul does not mean that everything derived from funk n soul becomes hip hop derived!

and peezie most underground hip hopper are hipsters nowadays lol. look at cage! :O

and too many people from bensenhurst and gravesend think they're hood because they live in brooklyn too, the same people who say fukkouttahere... lol. and if u know, those are some of the nicest areas in brooklyn...who said anything about hipster too? lol.


c.toon, i just think that a lot of producers now stick mpc3000 because it's all they know. they learned it and don't want to learn anything else. that's why mpc3000's are still used. and lets face it, a lot of those guys aren't the brightest bulbs in the bunch...

i don't know it's just me, but i hear your "60 magic" what yer talkin bout, it seems there's "3000 magic" people believe in too.

i was just sayin about the out of date to say maybe i'ts worth even checkin out something newer if u want that hi fi sound, they got lots of extremely useful features.

I don't know about you, but automatic chopping of my breaks makes my life 10000% easier, and also time stretch. true i can do that on a computer, but i dont' want to keep exchangin my samples back n forth. it makes me feel like a dick when my friends are working in logic, or some other computer software, coming up with tight rhythms, chopping shit up mad quick, and just linkin it together...

not to put hip hop down again, but it's true, i guess it doesn't need that much work on the beats.. they're rather **** simple...:/

the whole rogerlin argument is osmewhat true with the shuffle+swing, but there is a new sound u can make with that mechanical sound too.

me personally if i were u i'd sell the mpc3000, keep the 60, and get an akai s6000 for the hi fi sounds. most hi fi sounds u don't need to be super tight unlike drums, and this way u can sample the sp, the mpc...sequence the s6000 with the mpc, have it nice and detachable so u can put it right next to the 60 and sp1200, nice big screen. n all around niceness.

eh i add, i love the mpc60 and old gear. I just don't like the hi fi sound, i think there are better things for that. but the mpc 60 that shit's dope, that's why i keep pushin it lol.

just ended up picking up an mpc60 right now myself, mpc1000 with all it's features just doesn't cut it. since i'm one of those **** so stuck in the old ways of doign things, even these new features i never utilize... i just get pissy when i have to hit shift n shit:-o