Share your knowledge on these two classic MPCs
By elmacaco Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:52 pm
Hey Clint, I like how you're thinking on this, I think it'll go well.

Two thoughts for now. One, no digital version, not at first. Definitely not PDF. It'll be a crime of convenience, if I was waiting for copies to become available, and my boy hits me with the PDF, I'm gonna read it, and then the hard copy becomes less of a priority. Also, it is a book about hardware drum machines in a laptop virtual instrument world. There is a certain elegance and poetry to producing an object and not a vst version, so to speak. Scans won't be as much of a problem, people are lazy and an official digital release would be much better. What you could do is later release a digital version that has video and other digital content, might be too much.

The first note repeat is on the Linn LM-1 IIRC, LinnDrum definitely. If you look at its faceplate you will see many mpc features there.
I think you could tell the story starting with roger linn designing his early drum machines. The origins of the concepts, stories of stuff that happened along the way.
His first experiments he took apart a Roland rhythm box, cr78 I think to control with his sequencer before he had the sampling parts.
Take it quick but with substance through the linn 9000, which was amazing, very ahead of its time technology wise too. I have been inside one and they have flying wires and kludgey looking fixes all over. But that added most of the main features. The sp-12 and 1200 were a refinement of the linn 9000 concept, emu was already making cheap knock off linn drums in the drumulator, the sp-12 just hit on a great balance of those features and stellar user interface.

The mpc then took it a step further in he sequencer department. I think it is probably the most popular non computer midi sequencer on earth. That is a hell of an accomplishment.

I also think you will have to include the mpc 3000. The degree is up to you. The fact that when the 3000 came out they ported the software to the older model is a great example of a manufacturers legacy support that cares about what they are making and not how much.

Also the software is so similar, that it will already be of use to 3000 owners. There are also more 3000 owners than 60, and so if you offer something to that community you will definitely sell more books.

I'll make more suggestions as I think of stuff. I have a fair bit on he technical side too, usage techniques and internal workings and repair, a lot of it is in the sticky bible here, but I can help organize it etc.

Also whoever said to do new interviews with machine specific technique questions to the big 60 users would be excellent. A window into it for those who don't use it as well.

Good luck
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By scoobylol Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:24 pm
I haven't read through any of this thread but it sounds fantastic. I bought a copy of the SP book which is a nice thing to own but it felt like there was a lot of filler IMO.

Personally I'm not bothered about reading interviews with artists/producers, I'd rather watch them. For a machine of this magnitude I'd want mega geek information. Lots of in-depth history nuggets from the people who worked on it themselves. Plenty of pictures is a given.

Other than that I'd like a poster. :nod:
By Clint Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:59 pm
elmacaco wrote:Hey Clint, I like how you're thinking on this, I think it'll go well.


Thanks for your input and suggestions elmacaco, needless to say the historical aspect is where I started my research and it is quite revealing. I'll be trying to cover as many areas as possible, but it is already clear that some ruthless editing will be required to keep the page count down to a practical level. It will not be possible to include everything, but there has to be something there for everyone (history, pics, interviews, geeky stuff, tips, etc).

Going into the MPC3000 as well remains a possibility. To tell the story of the MPC3000 would involve tracing its roots (which would already be covered) but also covering the machine in much the same way as the MPC60 (pics, interviews, geeky stuff, tips etc). This would change the original intention somewhat and involve more work (and time), not that this would put me off. Either way, the immediate focus is on a physical publication. Writing has started so I won't be giving too much away about the content, but will be listening to everyones suggestions and discussing those here.

@scoobylol

You say the SP1200 book had a fair amount of 'filler'. What content constituted filler in your opinion? I haven't had a chance to see that book or the 'Behind the Beats' book for that matter. Both these publications could teach me some valuable lessons.

scoobylol wrote:Other than that I'd like a poster. :nod:


I know what kind of posters you like lol...
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By scoobylol Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:14 pm
1. Well there was a bit about the S950 in there which I suppose is quite relevant as people use them side by side, but for someone like me who owns neither it wasn't that useful.

2. Also a cheeky chapter which had lyrics that contained a reference to the SP, again, couldn't give a sh*t.

3. Lastly, as mentioned before, the interviews with various heads.

All those together ended up filling out a good third of the book. I've got a copy here with me right this second Clint so PM me if you need any specifics mate.

clintgivemeaposter wrote:I know what kind of posters you like lol...


A giant MPC 60 would fit in beautifully with the collection of French women that currently adorn the walls. Actually the CD that came with the SP book, didn't rate that either to be honest.
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By gertie Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:21 pm
hey clint
the main thing from the sp1200 book to learn is use a bloody spellchecker.... :nod:
if you need a proof reader, I'll do it for you for free

if a book is only about techincal parts.....you wont have much of a market...theres only so much you wanna read bout capictors and diodes. the technical part of the sp1200 book didnt really reveal much that wasnt known already (apart form a couple of anicdotes from dave rossum)

there were a lot of nice interviews in the sp1200 book...with old heads..the saddest theme among the interviews was how many of the heads who made killer eps and albums had actually sold their sp's to buy more 'modern' equipment, like a 16 bit sampler with a massive 16mb

i guess its all about trying to find a nice balance...between die hard mpc heads, and people who are interested in hip hop, and the legacy of these machines
By Clint Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:52 pm
scoobylol wrote:1. Well there was a bit about the S950 in there which I suppose is quite relevant as people use them side by side, but for someone like me who owns neither it wasn't that useful.


I think the S950 will have to put in a brief appearance for the same reasons.

scoobylol wrote:2. Also a cheeky chapter which had lyrics that contained a reference to the SP, again, couldn't give a sh*t.


Now that sounds like filler.

scoobylol wrote:3. Lastly, as mentioned before, the interviews with various heads.


There will be some interviews with 'various heads', but not necessarily the usual suspects.

scoobylol wrote:I've got a copy here with me right this second Clint so PM me if you need any specifics mate.


A fellow forum member who lives nearby has kindly offered to borrow me his copy, but if that falls through I'll holler at you or take a trip to the British Library.

scoobylol wrote:A giant MPC 60 would fit in beautifully with the collection of French women that currently adorn the walls.


French women and an MPC60, all a guy could really want.

gertie wrote:if a book is only about techincal parts.....you wont have much of a market...theres only so much you wanna read bout capictors and diodes...i guess its all about trying to find a nice balance...between die hard mpc heads, and people who are interested in hip hop, and the legacy of these machines


Real talk, the service manual is out there for those geeky types to salivate over. This book is aimed at MPC heads, enthusiasts, collectors and anyone else who's interested in old samplers and drum machines. Nobody publishes books for us...

I do envisage calling on forum members for assistance with various things at a future stage, maybe even contributing or testing tips and tricks, photos or links to 'underground' producers they know personally.

Join the mailing list at [email protected] for information about this and other project updates when they come.
By Clint Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:01 am
With the 'Interview with Roger Linn thread' topping the forum, now is a good time to bump this. Really need some more feedback from you guys...perhaps even tips on what not to do. Above all, be realistic this isn't a big budget all guns blazing project.

Are there any African or South American based producers around here using the MPC60? I can't think of any of the bat...
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By Coz Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:24 am
I don't know how much research could be done on the manufacturing and development process, but I would find that quite interesting.

What process did they use to finally settle on the pad design which has been the mainstay of every MPC since?

Did they dabble in other screen technology?

On a slightly more random tip, how many people were hand assembling the 60?

Why did they go for a radical redesign on the 60II?


Any tidbits on how it came to be would be cool. 8)
By daftmunk Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:23 pm
clint246clint wrote:Are there any African or South American based producers around here using the MPC60? I can't think of any of the bat...



i don't know of any around here, but i know a couple african, morrocan, tunisian & algerian producers here in france that have use the 60, most are on the 3000 though.

fwiw i'm pretty sure a lot of producers in brazil that did "baile funk" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk_carioca) a heavy sample genre influenced by miami bass & ghetto tec that was popularized there in the late 80s, early 90s must have used the 60. also south africa had their own version with dutch rave influences which may have used it as well..

this actually brings up an aspect i would personally like seen, and that is to cover artists or techniques outside of the hip-hop genre. the MPCs are actually pretty popular in certain EDM sub-genres, obviously dubstep (which i kinda loathe, especially its recent incarnation) but in the 60 context, a lot of early detroit & chicago house/techno used it (as you can see in the latest roger linn video with techno guru carl craig speaking fondly of them) but also ghetto tec, bmore club, bootie house, juke, french house etc.. fwiw, i use my 60ii more for the above genres then for hip-hop..

i realize i'm probably a minority in this particular forum to be interested in this, but i think for completion sake it should be covered even if briefly.. it would also widen the audience..
By daftmunk Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:40 pm
couple videos on different genres were MPCs can be spotted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afe-0VY4YiI (DJ Funk's 3000 @ 6:00)

http://vimeo.com/36275353

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfT3Pqm5BYU (MPC3000/60 @ 5:45)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U20qgf2YT_Y (MPC60)

and my favorite least expected, king of pop himself with a 3000 in his home studio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehx-V6ggHyQ
By Clint Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:54 am
SimonInAustralia wrote:
CoinOP! wrote:Bougth my copy here a while ago. Kinda steep, but worth it IMO:


http://www.amazon.fr/SP-1200-art-scienc ... 854&sr=8-2

I tried to buy one from there, must be Europe only, I couldn't buy one with Australia as a shipping address.

Any idea where else I can get one?


I tried there also Simon, French shipping addresses only, which is why the book remains for sale. I understand the digital version of the book is planned in the next few months, but who knows...