sound/drum library mpc60/3000

so since iv made the switch from the 2000xl to the 60 (i included 3000 in the title because i assume this applies to u guys aswell) i find the biggest issue that slows me down is finding/loading drums or sounds to go with the sample. i dont have scusi so im stuck useing floppys but i dont think thats the issue. the issue is not being able to play what i have saved befor i load it. so iv got piles of floppys filled with drums iv chopped but how the hell am i supposed to remember what every break on each floppy sounds like... ya u can label the floppys with the artist name and track title but remembering what each of those breaks sounds like? by the time i find drums to match the sample iv already wasted an hour of loading and deleting sounds off various floppys to find the right one.
as of recently iv been trying a separate approach of finding the sample then diggin through records with drums to find something that matches. then saving the end result on floppys as a complete beat floppy. so thus brings the question of does creating a drum collection/archive with the 60/3000 make sense? maybe im going about this all wrong but as of this far this is how iv been doing things and i find that this step realy kills my flow.
how do u guys do it? any advice or tips to help speed things up or make it a bit easier. peace

p.s. -sorry if anyone thought i was offering shit to download....go dig

Keep a copy of all your drums/sounds on your computer.That way you can browse through the files untill you find the right sound and then load it into your MPC60.

Get another stand alone sampler, sample the breaks in to ur 60 then resample that in to the other sampler and use the breaks from there. Thats what I do.

acid mitch - i try and avoid the computer and keep it out of my lab in general. i know i could just have libraries on my laptop and sample them into my mpc but vinyl>mp3... as for another standalone sampler. im not realy looking to add a more steps to whole equation by re sampling the breaks into another machine. and then having to create 2 identical sound libraries....thanks though appreciate the advice. anyone else? thanks

Yeah I can understand that! Hope you find something that works for you

I know you say you don't want to use a computer in this process but it's going to be tough to do anything without one. What you are describing is almost exactly what makes CDxtract such a wonderful program. You can audition all your samples, regardless of format, from your computer without having to load anything. Plus it has a database function where you can catalog all your samples and then do searches to find just the sound you need. I think it is one of the best programs for the money ever written when it comes to managing lots of samples. Here is the link:

http://cdxtract.com/cdxtract.php

word bigs up on that scusi4samplers mad cool. but to be honest id rather put that 139$ towards more records haha rent isnt cheap these days so all the money i can save the better. and i love how the 60 and computer are like you and your crazy ex. 1 more reason to keep it outta the studio. lol

klassik.one wrote:word bigs up on that scusi4samplers mad cool. but to be honest id rather put that 139$ towards more records haha rent isnt cheap these days so all the money i can save the better. and i love how the 60 and computer are like you and your crazy ex. 1 more reason to keep it outta the studio. lol

So what solution do you want ?
The truth is there is no fast/easy way.
You need another device to preview stuff on.
Is there any device you'd be happy to use to preview stuff on ?

A computer is the easiest option. Something like what 64hz said is pretty much the same deal, although I'd probably find it a bit slower than using the computer.
You could also use DAT, CD , tape or just play the vinyl you sampled from to see if the sound fits.

Maybe you just need to spend some time getting to know your samples, instead of building a library you can't keep track of.

I think it's funny you are coming up with bullshit reasons to not use a computer when it's the fastest easiest thing and you already have one.
What do you currently use to back up your floppies ?

nothing wrong with making disks for just drums, with the 60 you can play samples while the sample input is "open" so why not burn a cd or dvd or drums sounds and use a portable cd player or dvd player to audition songs you might think would work...or get a record of drum breaks to sample, or just use what you got like I do, find records with drum sounds and 'tune' them to the song..it's your world

acid mitch - i dont like useing my computer when im making beats. it distracts me what can i say. sorry u got a problem with that. i dont back anything up...i know i should look into it. lol

i was just curious if there were some techniques that heads used or w.e. peace

It is a good question though.

I've tried different ways and I'm not entirely sure what's the best way for me yet.. I've made up a lot of zip disks with 10 categorized partitions on each disk (kicks, snares, hihats, layered snares, synth snares, etc..). At least then I know where to look for what types of sounds, but I usually end up loading up a lot of drum samples randomly.. if I don't like what I hear I erase them from memory and keep on doing it until I find something which suits whatever I feel like doing at the moment. With some patience, you can easily build a good library of sounds, but it all depends on what way you wanna work.

Couldn't really do this without the SCSI option.

klassik.one wrote:acid mitch - i dont like useing my computer when im making beats. it distracts me what can i say. sorry u got a problem with that. i dont back anything up...i know i should look into it. lol

i was just curious if there were some techniques that heads used or w.e. peace

Dude, I don't have a problem with it. I can understand not wanting to use a computer to make music on if it gets you distracted , but saying you don't use it cos it's like your ex girlfriend didn't seem like a real reason.
I just can't think of anything better to manage files.(I mean the comp,not your ex unless she's a secratery )
Unfortunately I have too much experience with the getting distracted thing. I found the solution was to get an old clunker that only runs MPC editor, Omniflop and some synth + sample editors. All internet stuff,etc is disabled.
Anyhoo, other than saying"use Ominflop to back up your floppies" I won't mention computers again.(well I'll at least try .lol )

klassik.one wrote: iv been trying a separate approach of finding the sample then diggin through records with drums to find something that matches. then saving the end result on floppys as a complete beat floppy. so thus brings the question of does creating a drum collection/archive with the 60/3000 make sense?

I think in your situation , this is probably the best approach. I don't think creating a drum collection/archive with the 60/3000 make sense unless you have a pretty good file management/preview system.

I tend to use the same few drum sounds on my 60 and just tune and eq them to fit what I'm working on. I find when working with large libraries I can spend forever looking for the perfect sample, but with a few sounds I know well I can shape them to fit what I'm working on fairly quickly.

Can you preview sounds before loading on the 2000xl ? I've only ever used the MPC60.

klassik.one wrote: i was just curious if there were some techniques that heads used or w.e.

What does w.e mean ?

pUs wrote:It is a good question though.

for sure

by the crazy ex girlfriend reference i ment in your face and very distracting(phone going off a million times). well anyways...
w.e. = whatever.
the 2000xl does allow you to preview the file before u actually load it. saves alot of time.
i guess it seems like im aware of pretty much most of the methods for organising/loading. if anyone has any more information or methods theyre willing to share that would be appreciated. thanks

p.s. acid mitch i wasnt trying to be a dick my bad.

klassik.one, here is the rig we just sold to a composer in Germany this week and to my mind, it is a near perfect setup that gives total access to your sound library. He bought a CF-CARD drive and a 16GB CF card for his MPC2000XL. Then he bought another 16GB CF card and we gave him one of the free USB card readers we include with our Package deals. He has copied his entire library of sounds to both 16GB CF cards so that they are identical (he did this using a Virtual Drive in Translator). Now he has one 16GB card in his MPC2000XL and an identical one in his USD card reader. He is using CDxtract on the PC to access the CF card in the USB card reader. Whenever he needs to find a certain type of sound, he can search it on CDxtract, audition various sounds from the CF card in the USB cardeader and when he finds just the sound he wants, he loads it in off the CF-CARD drive in his MPC. No card swapping needed. Total access to all his sounds and easy searching using CDxtract. State of the art sample management for a very low investment.