Graphic editing...

i dont like, the numrecal shit is fast and tight.

DOVESKI wrote:i dont like, the numrecal **** is fast and tight.

Graphic Editing,
I don't like,
The Numrecal shiznit,
Is fast and tight ...

Nice poem there Doveski ... ( stick it in a RAP !!! )

True too

Hits the nail bang on too I might add ...

Numerical editing on an MPC60/MPC3000 is fast !!!

000.000.00 or SECONDS.MILLISECONDS.SAMPLES ...

Pretty straight forward in conjunction with the BEST START threshold detect routines.

No pics to draw at the speed of a snail.

Requires a brain, ears and know-how ... a bit too much for some I know.

For those of us who have grown up with IM90, EIII, SP12, SP1200, MIRAGE, EPS, ASR machines ... the numbers are a real enough representation of where things are at.

Peace ...

Rohan.

mpc3000le wrote:
No pics to draw at the speed of a snail.

Never had that problem with any MPC with graphic waveform display.

I prefer numerical editing as well, I hated the editing on the s6000, slower editing than the 60, asr, or the emax. part of the reason I sold it.

I don't agree entirely that editing on the S6000 is slow compaired to most other samplers I haved used....but it also depends on what editing functions people are talking about and if you used an older OS (which I haven't).

If you are talking about sample start and end points...the S6000 is a fast as anything out there. If I am talking about using the graphic waveform editing...it is no worst that older Akai rack mount samplers. I hate those samplers graphic waveform displays. They are not slow at drawing samples at all. But I like the MPC 2000/2000XL/2500s graphic waveform displays when visually editing material. I like to hear and see what I am editing.

jahrome wrote: But I like the MPC 2000/2000XL/2500s graphic waveform displays when visually editing material. I like to hear and see what I am editing.

Thats what Recycle is for. Noticed its in your gear list.....

TicToc wrote:
Thats what Recycle is for. Noticed its in your gear list.....

Recycle is good for chopping. I actually do use it with my S6000 and AKsys. (sometimes). But Recycle doesn't have many of the editing features that are onboard those MPCs.

mpc3000le wrote:For those of us who have grown up with IM90, EIII, SP12, SP1200, MIRAGE, EPS, ASR machines ... the numbers are a real enough representation of where things are at.

True...except that the ASR-10 and EPS series have that lame numerical system where everything is 0-99 no matter how big the sample is. I much prefer the MPC because the numerical values are directly related to the sample's duration time. Makes it so much easier for drum editing because after a while you know where to chop the sample end off top (within reason of course). Any f*ckhead comments off what I just said or any other funnystyle sh*t posted due to this here post...F*ck you in advance.

L. Tombstone wrote:Any f*ckhead comments off what I just said or any other funnystyle sh*t posted due to this here post...F*ck you in advance.

Hahaha

Well, chopping on the S6000 is basically the same as on the XL, where you have to arrow to the decimal place, or realch to the side for the number pad. the 2000 OG is better with the outter rim for the decimal place, but that kind of editing is just much slower than just punching in the numbers or spinning the jog wheel or slider really quick. Thats what makes the 6000 slower, the button presses you have to do to get really into the fine cuts.
the 60/3000 is much quicker, more direct, just spin and punch in, and you start to hear milliseconds and can punch it at where you need to be and just adjust with the wheel, ultra quick. the waveform is handy if you are more visually based, but you still have to move the points with the same backwards system. With a mouse the waveform editing makes more sense since you can go directly to the place you want, but ultimately it's a luxury.
I got used to it but I noticed how much faster everything else was comparitively. I know if you like the piece you'll want to defend it, But the waveform display does take time to draw pn longer samples, I've seen it draw slowly everytime you switch samples, it's one thing to not care about it or like what others dislike, but acting like it isn't there is just not conducive to anything substancial.

Nothing wrng with liking waveform editing, but the numerical system can work very fast.

Also Tombstone, the ASR 10 0-99 is percentile based, you also have the sample numbers to adjust right next to it. it works like a course and fine control, and is one of the fastest I've seen. First do the 0-99, then the samples to zom in tight. it beats having to adjusts the 10,000's, then the 1,000's, then the 100's, and then the 10's place to get it right where you want it.

elmacaco wrote:
I know if you like the piece you'll want to defend it, But the waveform display does take time to draw pn longer samples, I've seen it draw slowly everytime you switch samples, it's one thing to not care about it or like what others dislike, but acting like it isn't there is just not conducive to anything substancial.

Your are talking about how long it takes for the S6000 to draw waveforms..but it really isn't that long. I never really paid too much attention to how long until you mentioned it because it never has interfered with anything. Even if you samples a hella long sample and had to wait for it to draw, you can immediately listen to and edit the sample by ear if you didn't want to wait the second(s) it takes tio draw the waveform.

Also, I am not sure if you had the latest OS for it..but it really is a solid machine..worth the $400 I paid for it.

Also, you didn't have all the accessories for the S6000. With a keyboard connected, you can easily punch in the numbers to make edits.

I believe you when you say that it is faster for you to edit on the 60/3000. But from my experience with those machines and the S6000, there really is no significant difference as far as time for editing sample start/end points. I have to add that the MPC 2000 has the most superior shuttle wheel of all MPCs. I would choose that wheel over any other.


I just got off taking another closer look at the editing functions of the S6000. The 2 cursor keys are right next to the shuttle wheel. I can't see how you can say that editing is faster on the MPC 60/3000. You have quite a few options editing at your disposal. Keyboard, mouse, jog wheel and cursor keys...what ever floats your boat.

Nah I wasn't talking about the screen draw on the 6000, that's the fastest i've seen, the draw on the 2000 and XL are slower.

I was talkin about cutting up samples in the 6000, I had the final OS from the outset, I had most of the accessories (except the extra 64 voice expansion and adat card) and I knew the machine quite well, used it for years.

Getting the start and end points is much faster on the 60, emax and asr for me, and the cursor buttons were an annoyance. that set up only works well IMO when you have the OG 2000 jog wheel, and even then it isn't as ideal as just course and fine controls.

I'm all about interface, and I didn't notice the speed thing until after using the 6000 for quite a long time. its not a deal breaker by itself, just a question of preference.

are you talking to me? who needs eyes when we have ears.

L. Tombstone wrote:Any f*ckhead comments off what I just said or any other funnystyle sh*t posted due to this here post...F*ck you in advance.

choppopiung up based on number is part of the fun of hardware. graphic editing of waveforms sometimes tricks the ears and makes the eyes work more. u can get iller sounds if you're not concerned with getting perfect samples, throw in a little bit of the hi hat followin the kick can lead to interesting results:-) ....

sp1200 i'd have to say i think is king of this! wonderful at editing samples:-)

3001 wrote:
choppopiung up based on number is part of the fun of hardware. graphic editing of waveforms sometimes tricks the ears and makes the eyes work more. u can get iller sounds if you're not concerned with getting perfect samples, throw in a little bit of the hi hat followin the kick can lead to interesting results:-) ....

sp1200 i'd have to say i think is king of this! wonderful at editing samples:-)

If that's the case...then just close your eyes and don't look at the graphic waveform display when you edit the samples (when using modern samplers)...the display will still be there when you need it....