Share your knowledge on these two classic MPCs
By jbplaya Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:58 pm
This past week I finally got to mess with a 60 MK1. I've never even seen one before let alone play with one. I had to drive like 2 hours away. This cat was advertising it for sale for like a grand, but then changed his mind. I was trying to offer 8 bills but he wasnt having it. It was fully maxed in mint as mint can get condition. I went anyway and when I first saw it I was underwhelmed. Not underwhelmed in a bad since, but from what I've read and heard especially on these forums I expected it to be huge, like the size of Dre's mixing console or something. It wasn't that big at all, about the size of an MV. This thing was so clean it looked brand new. Then he played a sequence and I almost hit the floor. The drums sounded so punchy and just so.... ALIVE. He was showing me around on it and I was very surprised to see it had actual zoning. The zoning was different in a sense that you had to have each sound copied to a pad, and then dial in numbers to chop it just right. Not that hard at all. The way elmacoco described it in this Forum's FAQ, I was extremely confused and thought it was a legnthy process of sampling air before samples and assigning the air to pads or something of that nature, but it wasn't like that at all. I finally got a chance to mess around on the pads, and I don't know if it was just his MP 60 or what, but they were some of the softest pads I've ever felt on a drum machine. They felt like little pillows. And I don't know if there's a difference in swing amongst the different machine's, but I do think the quantize is better on the 60. I don't know which quantize he had it on, but no matter how hard I tried to play the dumbest rhythm and try to get it offbeat, it was impossible. This isn't necassarily true of the newer MPC's where whatever quantize setting I got it on, I can make it sound just a little offbeat if I tried. The 60 reminded me of my old Roland TR-626 that I first started on. The 60 also had this button next to Tap Tempo if I remember correctly called Timing Correct. Homeboy was doing some nasty double bass hits with that. The little armrest was nice too and I felt free to usethat often. All in all, it was a pretty hot little machine that was most importantly FUN to use. I 'm going to see if I can hit him up in a week or so again so I can come and play on it some more. I think I might just bum off his 60 for a little while :) . I was trying like hell to get him to sell it to me, but he said he doesn't know what he was thinking when he posted the ad and he just couldn't part with. He said he traded his 2KXL back in the day for it in Boston somewhere. I needed something desperately to try and quantize my drums on the Motif so I had to break down and settle for a 2000 Classic Studio Plus :evil: :evil: :evil: . I guess that will do. I'm interested in playing around with a 3000. Those I've seen before, but I've never got to mess with one. Oh well, all's well that ends well
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By nyfebeats Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:15 pm
Wow jbplaya thats a great story man well you should cop one if you really like it like that for real for real

By jbplaya Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:44 pm
Yeah nyfe, if I found a mint one around my way with all the upgrades and I had the loot, I would definitely cop one. And I always wanted to get a 3000, but I could never force myself to pay that much for a drum machine that limited. I could get a used MV-8000 with VGA for the price of what 3000's go for. But after having that experience with the 60, if somebody proposed a trade for my Motif ES for the 3K, I'd have to give that keyboard a long hard look.....
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By c.toon Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:04 am
think about it: how often do you come by that keyboard? How often do you find a fully upgraded mint 60?
now recap... ;)

.toon

By jbplaya Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:00 pm
Exactly, but homeboy wasn't tryin to trade for the ES though. And even then I would still ask for a little cash on top because both values aren't identical. I wouldn't just fork over my Motif ES just cuz some guy around my way has a mint EPS 16+, you feel me. Coincidentally enough there is a pawn shop around my way that's selling a maxed out EPS 16+ with SCSI for 2 bills. I just can't justify me buying because I don't really need it. But back to the topic, the 60 was definitely hot to def and I'd scoop one up if I had the extra loot lying around.
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By nyfebeats Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:35 pm
Yo i know two cats in Nyc selling 60's if you like to cop
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By Jacpot Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:53 pm
U got me ready to go buy one now. Nice story

By fobedafied Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:32 am
ive got a 60 maxed out, id love to check out a 3k though... from what ive been told the 60 has a better user interface, meaning that the button/pad layout is much more intuitive than the 3k, where they seem to cramp everything onto a smaller surface... i havent seen a 3k in person though, id like to check one out though one day, im used to the 60 3.10e OS so i should have no probs with a 3k, just gotta get used to the different layout...

i dont think ill ever get rid of my 60 though, altogether i payed about $1300-$1400 to fully upgrade it myself, and would probably have to lose $300-$400 of my investment if i sold it... my chit is in GREAT condition, only thing i need to do is open her up and clean the pad sensors, then ill be good as new... this thing is what ive built my whole set-up around... :D

By Deta!L Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:37 am
^^I don't really think the 3K is cramped at all...there are a few buttons that are in different places but getting used to the 3K and going back to the 60 is super easy...some cool things about the 3K are the record level knob and the note variation assign button, both real dope to have. I think the buttons on the 60 are better though, since they are flat..hmm also on the 3K you have to turn the data entry knob less and on the individual out assign page you can change the levels going out without having to edit the sample volume...pretty neat stuff, but I still enjoy my 60 more and think I make better stuff on it for whatever reason.

By jbplaya Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:00 pm
Damn nyfe, you all over the deals in NYC. Reminds me of back when I used to live in Los Angeles where whatever you needed, it was easy to find. Down here in San Antonio, It's slim pickings. I would have hit you up to see what was poppin, but I just settled for a 2k Classic Studio Plus which coincidentally came from NYC. I was in talks with this one clown on these boards for a Motif Es MPC 3K trade but dude got scared and backed out at the last minute. Bunch of flakes on these boards. I think I'll just roll with what I got now, or I might still sell the Motif cuz I'm tired of these credit card bills. My mind changes everyday, so I just go with it, but if you can make heat, you can make heat on anything. That's my motto.

I still wanna compare my 2000 to the 3000 though in terms of how the sample sounds in both machine's and swing difference. That 60 swing and punch is bananas.
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By hydroslanger Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:11 pm
I have a 3000 and 2000xl sl3, I dont really ever use the 2000xl any more cause the 3000 sounds to dope. need to get rid of it. I would never give up my es for a mpc tho. the es has 2 many good sounds on it. I use my trition or es on every song and mpc's on 70% of songs. I do see what ur saying about quantizing tho. the es is not user friendly when it comes to anything but has the most to offer and ill style, kinda like a fly chick.

By dfacedxa Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:53 am
button layout is better on a 3k. that soft key crap is ridiculous on a 60. the 3k has the screen above the pads.
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By 3001 Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:47 am
the es?

i think the 60's layout of buttons is better, the sof buttons u get used to em bein like that...

the buttons on the 60 to me for some reason feel nicer, i wonder if tehy'er differnet or same?