eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

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eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By terry towelling Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:56 am
so, i was at a party last week and lost for a topic of conversation...so mentioned i wanted to buy an eps. mate replies," i've got an asr10 rack, asr10 keyboard and an eps16+, did i want one of the racks?" i tried to play it cool, but still knocked over the bong.

i get the impression the asr10r is the better machine. but i've never even seen one in the flesh, let alone used one. any advice on which one to take?

btw -- i am pretty damn excited!
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Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By Star One Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:21 pm
Problem is, there both dope :nod:


It all depends on what you need em for and what you can afford. EPS 16+ has a really wide range variable sample rate and ASR-10 has two sample rates, 33 and 44. ASR-10 has more sample time, and way more effects.

You can also sample while your joint is playing with the ASR-10. and ASR-10 has time stretch function, I don't know if the EPS 16 does tho I've never had to use it on my EPS 16


16+ Sample rates demo

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Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By tapedeck Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:43 pm
the ensoniq samplers all kind of evolved into the next one.
star just dropped some excellent detailed knowledge about the differences, and it's probably safe to say that the asr-10 has better 'specs'...whether that makes it a better machine is up to you.
i love my eps classic.

Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By Roots Renegade Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:07 pm
They are both awesome machines. To me, the three main differences are the fact that the ASR samples in stereo (the EPS/EPS16+ both sample in mono), the wider range of sample rates available on the EPS16+ and the maximum sample RAM (up to 2 Meg for the EPS/EPS16+ with expanders and up to 16 Megs for the ASR10).

Think of what you need it for, it's a tool. Do you already have a stereo sampler and would like to have a mono one (or the opposite)? Do you want to use it as a main sampler and prefer it to be stereo or do you always work in mono anyway? Do you care about the variable sample rates? Are you comfortable working with RAM memory limitations? By the way, on both machines when chopping a sample you can copy the parameters only on different pads/keys and keep only one copy of the sample in memory, so you can actually do a lot with not much RAM.

I love my EPS16 Plus.
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Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By Star One Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:36 pm
Hah! I just realized yeah, there's only one input jack on my EPS 16+ rack :nod: I love the EPS-16+ Turbo ^_^ A lot of people argue that there is no Turbo model, but it's just one with Flash Rom. And it sounds way cooler when you say turbo. Cause it is. 18 pounds of boooooooooost

Is your mate just giving you one for free? Or good price. I'm really excited to hear which one you get! To add to it, here's some Braintax on the ASR-10 rack



Right! I wanted to add... If you get the ASR-10. The whole "overheating" issue it has. It doesn't. It over heats because the user didn't read the manual :lol: You have to use NON-Pairty RAM, the old Mac memory. With the gang of blocky chips on it. Copiers use it too. Can't use the modern stuff, or it heats up like crazy. It wasn't just an issue in the keyboards, it's for both.

Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By terry towelling Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:22 am
thanks for the info. and the tip about ram. that is a very useful thing to know.
i didn't realise the eps is mono. i have an mpc1000 and s3000xl, so have stereo samplers. but generally prefer sampling mono and controlling the stereo field myself. but there are some bongo/congas breaks that have great stereo effects on them.
i'm going around to pick up the sampler today. i'm taking a few scsi devices with me to see if we can get one working on my mate's asr keyboard.
think i'll take the asr10. it's all free. so i can easily try out the eps if i want.
i plan to put the asr as the centre of my studio and have all my sounds in there. we'll see how that goes. no work for a few months, so i want to use this break to really work through manual and get to know the asr. i still can't believe my luck.
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Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By Star One Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:17 pm
Chopping confuses a lot of people at first, but this is good directions. You'll be amazed at how fast your hands go once it's loaded in your head


If you have a sample ready..

Edit > (LYR=1 WS=1) > Pitch > Set Root Key to C4 (or whatever), move cursor left to set Hi and Lo to C4.

Edit > (LYR=1 WS=1) > Wave > Adjust Sample Start and Sample End


Command > Wave Move cursor right to Copy Wavesample > to same instrument, same layer (1), Copy=Params Only [ENTER]


Edit > (LYR=1 WS=1) > Pitch > Set Root Key to D4 (or whatever), move cursor left to set Hi and Lo to D4.

Edit > (LYR=1 WS=2 > Wave > Adjust Sample Start and Sample End


Command > Wave Move cursor right to Copy Wavesample > to same instrument, same layer (1), Copy=Params Only [ENTER]



Repeat

NOTE: You'll have to do the same pitch editing for LYR=2 WS=1 if your sample is in stereo and not mono.


And a joint about transwaves and how to do it. Daydream Sound has a ton of ASR-10 keyboard videos also.




And some other stuff about the ASR-10. The beginning of this video is from the video manual. It can be found fairly easily too if you need it.


Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By terry towelling Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:03 am
thanks for that work sheet, star...i manged to sample, chop and save a drum loop! it came out nicely.

now i'm having a problem changing the sampling rate on the machine. it's currently at 30kHz and i want to change it to 44.1. i've followed the manual -- it says change the rate in the fx select page. i can find the page where it says it is set at 30khz, but can't seem to find any way to change the rate to 44.1.

"The ASR-10 can sample at either 30 kHz (actually 29,761.9 samples per second) or 44 kHz
(44,100.0 samples per second). To give you some frame of reference, Compact Discs are also
recorded at 44.1 kHz, and Digital Audio Tape (DAT) is recorded at 48 kHz. You can adjust the
ASR-10 sample rate by changing the current effect algorithm on the FX Select•FX Bypass page."
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Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By Star One Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:55 pm
terry towelling wrote:thanks for that work sheet, star...i manged to sample, chop and save a drum loop! it came out nicely.

now i'm having a problem changing the sampling rate on the machine. it's currently at 30kHz and i want to change it to 44.1. i've followed the manual -- it says change the rate in the fx select page. i can find the page where it says it is set at 30khz, but can't seem to find any way to change the rate to 44.1.

"The ASR-10 can sample at either 30 kHz (actually 29,761.9 samples per second) or 44 kHz
(44,100.0 samples per second). To give you some frame of reference, Compact Discs are also
recorded at 44.1 kHz, and Digital Audio Tape (DAT) is recorded at 48 kHz. You can adjust the
ASR-10 sample rate by changing the current effect algorithm on the FX Select•FX Bypass page."


I think you click record to sample, and the screen comes up, you press the curser right, or maybe left, it's one of those screens. I don't think it's in the effects section. The ones that are in the effects section is 44.1k Reverb and 44.1k other stuff.


You can also do *command* *wave* and then find "convert sample rate" where you can take it even lower then 33 and that's after you already sampled something


EDIT:


I might be getting confused with the EPS 16+, so when I get home I'll find it out and let you know soon

Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By terry towelling Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:16 am
it would seem to make sense that you change the sample rate on the sample edit page. but i can't change it there, and the manual seems pretty clear that it has to be changed in the effects select page. no doubt it will turn out to be something blindingly obvious that i am overlooking.

but for now...it's the weekend, i just found a brazilian record with drums and chants. it'll sound good at the lower sample rate.
and there are plenty of other features i can learn to use in the meantime.

Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By jimmie Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:56 pm
I see this time and time again about the ASR10 only sampling at two rates but it's irrelevant because you use the 'Convert Sample Rate' function in CMD -> WAVE to convert to any sample rate between 6.25kHz and upwards, after you've sampled.
You have about 50 rates from 6.25 kHz and up to choose from.
e.g. Sample at 44kHz then convert to 11.2khz and it sounds EXACTLY the same as the EPS16+ sampling at 11.2kHz.
Exactly the same lo fi grit.
I have both an ASR10 and an EPS16+.

Re: eps16+ rack or asr10 rack?

By jimmie Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:47 pm
Actually, you have 102 different sample rates from 6.25 kHz and up to choose from!
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