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By szr Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:41 am
..... vs S3200 vs MPC2KXL vs MPC4K

http://soundcloud.com/sampler-shootout/sets

(Info, complete wav/flac zip shootout download)
http://sampler-shootout.fromafarawayplace.com/

Thought you guys might find this interesting.

Anyone wants to add more contributions, can do that, if the levels are matched well... would be nice to have some ensoniqs in there ;)
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By szr Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:44 pm
Thanks, regarding signal chain... easy:
Sampler output -> UA-25EX (recorded at 24Bit Mono)
Used left side of main stereo outs on all samplers with one or two exceptions, actually youre right I'll document it properly in the descs. now as suggested

I should also redo the s950 as it was recorded hotter than the others. then on the sp12 I'll cut the sample into sections and stick em all together so we have the full length sample on there.
By szr Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:55 pm
950 prob sounds better to you cos the sample inputs were drive harder.. I fixed that, and added a long sp12 version..

Got lots of variations at different rates/levels etc that are not on soundcloud.. packed all the wavs into a zip (30files)
Feel free to share it around, would be great if you guys added some mirrors, if you got server space..

Also as said I'd be glad if someone contributed some ASR10, EPS .. etc.. versions
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By peterpiper Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:18 pm
wow. you put my sampler shootouts on position no.2 ;)
Great work. I know how much work it is so RESPECT!
I can contribute the Casio FZ1 and the Yamaha TX16W if you want. But it'll take some time (probably monday next week).


peace

If you want to check out my sampler shootouts:

Original (Samples from CD and Drummachine):
http://www.divshare.com/download/13799866-e7a

MPC2000 (classic)
http://www.divshare.com/download/8588762-c50

Akai s950
http://www.divshare.com/download/8580950-a2f

Casio FZ1

damn. just realized that I need to upload this file again cause it cann't be dl :(
I'll fix that


peace
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By thx Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:15 pm
szr wrote:Feel free to share it around, would be great if you guys added some mirrors, if you got server space..


new mirror here:
http://www.autistici.org/2000-maniax/sa ... ootout.zip
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By jibber Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:03 pm
It's not directly related to this thread, but i think it still fits the topic.

I just did a comparison between the MPC2KXL, MPC2500, ASR-10 (rack), and an E-mu E4X. The sample was a random track (jazz) from vinyl, sampled into the stereo ins, and played back from the stereo outs into a mackie mixer. I made sure to match the levels of all the different machines on the mixer... then i listened to them all forth and back.

The big shock for me was the 2KXL to be honest. I would have never thought this would sound so bad, but it does. There's no better word than "thin" to describe the sound. It lacks in stereo image, quality, bass... you name it. :o

In terms of getting a good clear quality without coloring the sound, the E-mu wins (clearly). The 2500 sounds surprisingly good tho, and in a complete mix i'm sure you couldn't tell which is which (the low pass filters on the e-mu are another story).

The asr-10 doesn't impress as much as the e-mu in terms of pure audio quality, but it still sounds very nice (compared to the 2KXL), but it has a certain coloration of sound that seems to mix very well with samples from vinyl. This is completely depending on individual taste however... personally i think it's a really nice sound for sample based hip hop beats.

I made this comparison simply because a friend of mine offered me his asr-10, and i wanted to see how it compares, and if there's even a need for another sampler in my setup. In the end i took it off his hands, and as a side effect, i've found out how bad the 2KXL sounds (and that i should also use the e-mu as a sampler, not just as a sound module). I will never use that MPC for sampling again, ever (but for sequencing, the pads and workflow are dope)! :roll:

Of course this is all just a personal opinion without any recorded wave files for other people to compare. So take it as just that please, my personal experience/opinion. :)

/end of personal rant :oops: :mrgreen:
By szr Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:14 am
To me the only mpc that sounds good is the mpc60.
.. But that is only because I'm used to the best sounding samplers, s1000,s1100,s950,emax,sp12..

I laugh when I hear people say the mpc4000 sounds amazing.. it's 24bit.. so that must mean it sounds better than anything 16/12/8bit... sure thing ;)
The 16it S1100 from the late 80s kills the 4k sound in every way, actually the ad/da's on many older samplers sound better than the most highend soundcards/interfaces of today.

Never used an asr10... they seem to have overheating/psu issues.. but I think I'd love the sound from the demos I've heard, I was told they have a slight bass boost.

Anyway, with that all said, I've done whole songs on the mpc2k before I had any better sounding samplers, and you know what the 2k still has it's charm, bassend is better than the emax, drums sound really punchy from it... even on a bad sounding sampler you can still make amazing sounding stuff.. just takes more work/time.
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By AntonPD Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:28 am
szr wrote:I laugh when I hear people say the mpc4000 sounds amazing.. it's 24bit.. so that must mean it sounds better than anything 16/12/8bit... sure thing ;)
The 16it S1100 from the late 80s kills the 4k sound in every way, actually the ad/da's on many older samplers sound better than the most highend soundcards/interfaces of today.


in what way do you use 'better'? id assume a 4k to have 'no sound' of its own?
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By jibber Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:35 am
szr wrote:To me the only mpc that sounds good is the mpc60.


But the MPC60 is mono only (unless you combine samples to stereo with the 3.10 OS), so it's not great if you want a stereo sample. Drums, bass, etc. is a different story.

szr wrote:Never used an asr10... they seem to have overheating/psu issues.. but I think I'd love the sound from the demos I've heard, I was told they have a slight bass boost.


There is indeed something happening with the bass, with the highs too, but the bass boost is most obvious (in a good way in my opinion).

szr wrote:Anyway, with that all said, I've done whole songs on the mpc2k before I had any better sounding samplers, and you know what the 2k still has it's charm, bassend is better than the emax, drums sound really punchy from it... even on a bad sounding sampler you can still make amazing sounding stuff.. just takes more work/time.


I have tracks that i did with only the 2KXL, some of them i am really happy with how they sound, so i guess this is true. It's just that in direct comparison, it sounded so thin and lifeless, it was a real eye-opener for me... it's a drastic difference IMO.
By szr Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:05 am
AntonPD wrote:
in what way do you use 'better'? id assume a 4k to have 'no sound' of its own?


Every sampler has some kind of sound to it, I find it hard to put sound differences into words, but the 4k lacks bass, and definition.. brittle sound, older akais where fatter.
The 4k is smd, this alone makes quite a difference, old through hole resistors/transistors where of a higher quality.. maybe more noise, but kinder on the ears, chunkier/realer sound.

Older gear had fatter circuit board traces.. all these little things make a difference.

It's like the difference between old analog synths and new ones..
Or another analogy, photo cameras... in that realm the best was made back in the 60s.. and those cameras still kick modern +20megapixel dslrs asses..

Commercialism/monetary-ism kills everything, camera tech went downhill since the 60s, or put it this way, cost cutting started to come into play.. suits take over.. lets increase the profit margins at the expense of quality. and to make devices redundant faster.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence