Feature Request for 1.5!? (Keygroup Timestretch)

Looks like 1.4 will be release fairly soon so...

I have been going over the Ren/Studio argument the whole time since the advent of the software and have come up with a request that if could make the Ren/Studio an EVEN BIGGER game changer. (I hate that cliché)

I few days ago I was pondering a timestretch algorithm for keygroup programs with key-spanning.

Basically, in the newer MPC's (4k, 1k+2.5k w/JJ, 5k) have keygroups that allow you to lay a sample over a span much wider than ordinary 16 levels. (possibly the whole 61 or 88 key span) But, there is a side-effect... The sample will pitch up higher as you move up the keys (C1-C5) but the length of the sample will change, therefore causing a problem for instrument chords. (Piano, horns, etc.)

Of course you can multi-sample each sound in different octaves (C1,C2,C3, etc.) but this is a time-intensive process. (BORING)

There are hardware samplers that are much older that have the ability to handle this caveat. (vari-phrase)

So I propose this request, since the timestretch in the Akai software is the kitty's titties...

Optional (vari-phrase) for keygroup toggle (I'm sure Akai will come up with a different name to trademark.)

This will allow instant faux multi-sample behavior for keygroup instruments.

Example: I can sample one note from a nice lush piano and the keygroup will pitch up and have a uniform length for playing chords.

This would be more likely and optional feature that can be flipped with a toggle in the program preferences. I figured I should suggest it since the Akai software is still being improved on day by day.

Anyone agree?

This might be what you are looking for. Try this:

1. Create a patch phrase of your loop. Once the patch phrase is created the software will add pp (Patch Phrase) at the end.

2. Create a keygroup and then add your new patch phrase. The patch phrase will play at different pitches but will play the same length.

But that's the rub... It's not a "loop", it is a one shot sample with no looping.

Mike I am with you all the way on this I owned the 3 Roland Variphrase products
And it was the best time stretching I ever experienced . This was all over 10 years ago
Please akai this would take this unit over the top I ask for Ircam timestreching at least auto bpm come akai Borrow the algorithm from ableton live lo,you seem to be friends and I agree patch phrase is cool but no real timestreching

Wouldn't this be a Keygroup Pitchshifting instead of Time Stretching?

WE need realtime Time Stretch

JAH wrote:Wouldn't this be a Keygroup Pitchshifting instead of Time Stretching?

It's actually a combination of the two.

Mike Boogie wrote:Of course you can multi-sample each sound in different octaves (C1,C2,C3, etc.) but this is a time-intensive process. (BORING)

With a proper User Interface this process can be just a matter of one click.

For example:

You sample just each C key : C0 C1 C2 Cn

1.)
If there would be an option to define the keygroup width (span) mapping could be solved with one click. e.g.: 11 semitones.
The span could be even solved by using a knob, just assign all samples and tweak until each sample is at the correct position

2.)
Something else useful would be to be able to set the root- , hi-, low key by hitting a note on you Keyboard as it was possible in most ancient samplers as well as in Halion or Studio Ones Sample one

3.)
Or just sample each key and kit automap (c c# d d# e...) to spread all samples in sequence.

just brainstorming

This is the only sampling technology I've seen in 10 years that looks genuinely 'next level'.

Coz wrote:This is the only sampling technology I've seen in 10 years that looks genuinely 'next level'.

Yeah this is definitely nice to built libraries !
but before implementing something totally new,
I would be happy with: set root- / hi- lo key via midi, old but effective
I love mapping while being in the creative flow

AnSolas wrote:I would be happy with: set root- / hi- lo key via midi, old but effective

The old ways work fine.

Your other suggestions are also good. Number 3 would be a big time saver.

Yeah,
I just ordererd a MPC-R with express shipping.

will be hard to get a rest tonight
Tomorrow I am on board

I get the OP feature request, think the idea is cool not sure how good the results will sound though.. Its pitch and timestretch combined across a keyrange. How musical will the result be? Somone would have to demonstrate

AnSolas wrote:With a proper User Interface this process can be just a matter of one click.


just brainstorming

This is exactly why the Ren would be a perfect candidate for this idea. There is technically no hardware restriction to get in the way of improvements. Plus, the software is, in a sense, modular so a feature like this can be implemented without much hassle.

The math is there.... somebody (Akai) just has to do it!

e9000k wrote:I get the OP feature request, think the idea is cool not sure how good the results will sound though.. Its pitch and time-stretch combined across a keyrange. How musical will the result be? Someone would have to demonstrate

I'm aware that time-stretch/pitch-shift formant on the Ren is better than any hardware MPC (similar to Abelton IIRC) so degradation shouldn't be too big of an issue.

Mike Boogie wrote:

AnSolas wrote:With a proper User Interface this process can be just a matter of one click.


just brainstorming

This is exactly why the Ren would be a perfect candidate for this idea. There is technically no hardware restriction to get in the way of improvements. Plus, the software is, in a sense, modular so a feature like this can be implemented without much hassle.

The math is there.... somebody (Akai) just has to do it!

e9000k wrote:I get the OP feature request, think the idea is cool not sure how good the results will sound though.. Its pitch and time-stretch combined across a keyrange. How musical will the result be? Someone would have to demonstrate

I'm aware that time-stretch/pitch-shift formant on the Ren is better than any hardware MPC (similar to Abelton IIRC) so degradation shouldn't be too big of an issue.

I totally agree to anything !

but I also would love to see the essentials first