MPC 3 - WTF, AKAI?

dont know the numbers but alchemists last year run was pretty insane. he is still rocking the 2500. pete rock produced the last few beats for the new de la soul album on the 2000xl. both of these producers are aware of the newer mpcs and tried them.

i think the new workflow is just not for everyone (only talking about mpc heads), because its so different compared to the classic workflow. you could also say, that the mpc 4000, was going in a new direction in some ways.

i dont think i will buy a new mpc, for me it just doesnt have that mpc feeling anymore. but im also not mad at akai for going in a different direction than i would have hoped.

People are weird if they think using the newest OS helps you make better music.

Marketing hype is melting your brains!!!

SuperKonquer wrote:Like every software program, it has bugs. Stop pretending like it's keeping you from making million dollar tracks. if you need an excuse to not make music then you should reconsider if you actually enjoy making music.

As a programmer dude I say this: dont put it to the public unless its "stable" no not all software has bugs, thats a result of someone not "debugging" their software or a design flaw they are willing to look past to push the product to market. Well made software shouldn't allow the user to break it. That's called a security vulnerability. Good software is appliance like, like a clock in that you have to make effort from outside of its operational circuit to jam it.

If you accept broken software for top dollar I got some swamp land down in florida...

Telling people that they should be content with a broken program they paid good money for from a reputable company that charges a lot of money is crazy to me. if chevy sold you a broken ass car that kept blowing the transmission because you put it in first that would piss you off wouldnt it? every time you press a button in the cockpit you end up with a dash light and have to reset the ecu.

you get tired in life working with broken tools its frustrating to everyone.

wanna buy a pre-cracked hammer? or how about some bent nails? just be content i dont see how it could hold you back from framing a home! stupid logic right?

I dont need excuses, from me, from you or akai what i need is for my $1150 tool to f*cking work. What i need is tool standardization and rigorous quality assurance testing before i get sold the piece of trash. admit it we all got got.

Any other product you guys would be howling for blood but instead you totally kiss akais cock like a prison ho.

The mpc has the worst sub-set of users... they like akai so much that they can't admit any of its faults. it must be "YOU"! Stockholm syndrome.. "no they love me they only beat me senseless on wednesday!"

As a programmer then you should know this. There is no such thing as "bug" free software. That's like pretending one can create a perfect drawing or a perfect song.

A lot of what is considered a "bug' is in the eye of the beholder. The functionality that is showstopping to one may not be to many others. Creating code is like stroking the strings of a violin. Sure you have rules, but if you are creating something new, it may not always be the perfect note or the most impressive articulation.

And many times it will be outright wrong. You could go back and recreate that piece a zillion times over a 100 years, and it could never be perfect, every time , for everyone. So should you wait 1000 years to play that song for others, hoping that it will be finally perfect? Humans cannot create perfect code because perfect means different things.

As you should also know, when you are working on complex code that is dealing with many interdependencies, timing considerations, state machines, memory allocation and potential packet loss, you cannot under any circumstance account for the infinite probabilities at every given time.

Temperature, electrical noise, out of spec factory parts, oxidation or physical damage could throw a monkey wrench in your perfect code at any given moment in reality.

Could someone code for every single possibility? They could try. You wouldn't be able to afford the kind of device required for that.

Give me an example of a perfect bugless program. Give me an example of the perfect program that you've created. And i mean that's perfect for everyone. Hammers break, nails bend.

I've used hammers that have fallen apart with the first hit. Humans cannot create perfect. That is our very nature. We could make the hammer better. But there's a cost to that. That is paid when creating it and when I buy it. You could work on that hammer until it is near perfect for almost every situation it will ever face. But then no one could afford it, and everyone would probably be dead because that would take 11 million years to forge.

as i stated in many other similar posts, i feel the same way as the OP, more than that, i even grew to dislike 2.x as well. in fact i went back to 1k with jj and i'm not looking back. only reason i keep the mpc live OG is because i like some of its stuff, some plugins, i can use it as a sound module, i have live set projects on there i still perform from time to time. but man, how is it possible that i am faster in accomplishing musical stuff on a 20+ years machine? i think the reason is JJ in part, he was listening to the community and improving, getting rid of bugs and pushing the boundaries of the hardware. i can record audio tracks on those 128 mb of ram easily, yesterday i laid out a couple percussion tracks recorded on top of a beat, no hassle, all fluid, good sound, solid workflow. i know it is a subjective experience, but making music on jjos2xl is FUN, while on the current mpc software .... feels like work to me. i will not repeat the full list of stuff the current mpc's lack that is present in jj but even in older akai machines, i already listed that ish in other posts. i genuinely feel sorry for the idea that a genius, trusted workflow is getting dumped like that. long live SEQ\TRK\PGM architecture!

J.O.BEATS wrote:People are weird if they think using the newest OS helps you make better music.

Marketing hype is melting your brains!!!

It Makes My Workflow Better

I can move Tracks/FX Slots around for a better sound.

Ultros wrote:

SuperKonquer wrote:Like every software program, it has bugs. Stop pretending like it's keeping you from making million dollar tracks. if you need an excuse to not make music then you should reconsider if you actually enjoy making music.

If you accept broken software for top dollar I got some swamp land down in florida...

WTH? I live in swampland down in Florida!! I love it here!!

The new features definitely make my music better, there is no way I could come close to what I do on a older mpc..