How many left maschine to MPC

TheDoctor wrote:I think Maschine sold just for the Kontakt library. Unfortunately nowadays people use presets and of course NI presets sound good.
It's a shame see companies like Air making synth for the MPC and people only use presets, what's the point of having a synth then?
People judge a plugin based on its preset.
I honestly think to sell the MPC too, they both lack basic functionality like time signature and a deep midi implementation. I also find extremely stupid how both make the step sequencer, how hard is to add 16 buttons like an mc707?
None of these sampler have nice modulation, my old Electribe is deeper about that. What's the point of a sampler if it doesn't act like a sampler? =a synth with sample as oscillator,I think people forget about it!
People use the MPC as a one shoot sampler playback and I really don't know why they own a sampler.
Ableton Live Sampler, Octatrack is what I would call a sampler. They're instrument that make you work with sample without fx. Then if you add fx they become part of the modulation, it doesn't feel like a guitar with pedals,that's how the MPC feel:sounds with fx added.
So to answer your questions in short the reason why I Ieft Maschine is the same why I'll leave MPC. I really like the idea of one box do everything but there isn't one around. They're or too simple and do everything or too deep on certain aspect but lack some basic. Ableton Push is probably the best controller+daw combo you can get nowdays but yeah **** computer.
I keep the MPC for the moment just because it's standalone but I will wait till this summer, if a better modulation and arranger show up, otherwise I sell it and get a Push.

If it’s step sequencing and advanced modulation you’re after then the MPC is not your machine. The MPC had that much succes and gained it’s legacy status because of it’s tight midi sequencer which could be programed in real time by playing the drumpads. That combined with a simple quality Akai (back in the days that really meant someting) drum sampler. It’s about building grooves with chops and loops. The only MPC that had a real full fledged sampler was the MPC 4000. Step sequencing was added only a couple of models ago when the MPC software was released. Again, it never was famous for step sequencing and it never will. Same goes for modulation and designing sounds from scratch. Although the Live and the X offer quite some options with the recently added AIR synths, still it won’t deliver the quality a real synth or a more sound design focused sampler offers.

Menco wrote:

TheDoctor wrote:I think Maschine sold just for the Kontakt library. Unfortunately nowadays people use presets and of course NI presets sound good.
It's a shame see companies like Air making synth for the MPC and people only use presets, what's the point of having a synth then?
People judge a plugin based on its preset.
I honestly think to sell the MPC too, they both lack basic functionality like time signature and a deep midi implementation. I also find extremely stupid how both make the step sequencer, how hard is to add 16 buttons like an mc707?
None of these sampler have nice modulation, my old Electribe is deeper about that. What's the point of a sampler if it doesn't act like a sampler? =a synth with sample as oscillator,I think people forget about it!
People use the MPC as a one shoot sampler playback and I really don't know why they own a sampler.
Ableton Live Sampler, Octatrack is what I would call a sampler. They're instrument that make you work with sample without fx. Then if you add fx they become part of the modulation, it doesn't feel like a guitar with pedals,that's how the MPC feel:sounds with fx added.
So to answer your questions in short the reason why I Ieft Maschine is the same why I'll leave MPC. I really like the idea of one box do everything but there isn't one around. They're or too simple and do everything or too deep on certain aspect but lack some basic. Ableton Push is probably the best controller+daw combo you can get nowdays but yeah **** computer.
I keep the MPC for the moment just because it's standalone but I will wait till this summer, if a better modulation and arranger show up, otherwise I sell it and get a Push.

If it’s step sequencing and advanced modulation you’re after then the MPC is not your machine. The MPC had that much succes and gained it’s legacy status because of it’s tight midi sequencer which could be programed in real time by playing the drumpads. That combined with a simple quality Akai (back in the days that really meant someting) drum sampler. It’s about building grooves with chops and loops. The only MPC that had a real full fledged sampler was the MPC 4000. Step sequencing was added only a couple of models ago when the MPC software was released. Again, it never was famous for step sequencing and it never will. Same goes for modulation and designing sounds from scratch. Although the Live and the X offer quite some options with the recently added AIR synths, still it won’t deliver the quality a real synth or a more sound design focused sampler offers.

You're absolutely right but the MPC wanna kind of be a DAW without losing the classic feature.I don't see why not expand what's there without going too far. The One has a price point to compete with Maschine and Digitakt, the additional cv/gate will bring people with modular system but they will find the sampler lack modulation. It doesn't make sense to me, they have the iconic chop,lay down groove etc. as you said why focus on Splice and Ableton instead of grow your own device? It's already there, an extra row of bipolar modulation for the LFO with an extra MOD slot and a better layout seem just so easy to implement. These MPC can also hold nicely detailed keygroup but you can't give a modulation closer to workstation keyboard. They want make the one box solution and they focus on completely wrong features.

I was all in with Maschine, then switched to MPCX once the software advanced. I have since moved to Ableton/Push2 and have not turned back. I still use Maschine to browse sounds/efx, but everything is done in Ableton 10.7 at this point.

My MPCX is only turned on to transfer the previously programmed tracks into Ableton.

Maschine is kind of a complicated affair for me.

I'm literally from the era of New York hip hop music before drum machines and samplers were even a cutural factor. When a band played instruments to the click track and you invited a group of your friends to the studio to make party noises for the background track.

And as time goes by, more new technology enters the frame. When FL Studio was introduced to me in 2002 I had more hardware samplers and synths in my then apartment in New York than I do today in my house here in Seattle. I fell in love with the idea of doing it all on the computer and I went full steam ahead and sold the majority of classic samplers and synths.

When people were dissing FL Studio because of it's funny style name, I ignored their ignorance and kept it moving, but years of clicking a mouse and looking a computer monitor messed up my eyesight and gave me capel tunnel and I missed having a tactile feel of the MPC pads when it came to tapping out a beat.

Enter Maschine, the hybrid answer to my personal issues. I can still have the computer to my avail and the tactile feel of the MPC. I even dissed Akai for not listening to then former MPC users like me for not entering this market. When Akai announced the Renaissance I was emotionally invested in Native Instruments and their false promise of building an ecosystem with their Traktor line of products which I also own, so I had a F u c k Akai attitude.

But then two things happened:

Maschine 2.0 & MPC 1.7.

Maschine 2.0 was a nightmare, some Maschine users noticed it, others didn't but those of us who recognized it's many flaws knew we were in for some pain, while others didn't understand and strangely enough to this day still don't see the problems. Those in the know recognized that Native Instruments painted themselves in a box and all the features they promised us was never going to happen.

MPC 1.7 was a mind-changing moment for me. It showed me that although Akai was struggling to meet users wishes, they were doing what Native Instruments never do, they listened and responded to their users. It gave me hope and then I let go of my anger towards Akai and purchased an MPC Renaissance which I still own.

This led me to stop using my Maschine which I still own yet never use anymore, but I also bought the MPC X and will likely buy the Force when I'm ready to tour my own material.

Akai listens to us, they may not get to everything we want as fast as we want, but they don't lie to us like Native Instruments does a lot.

Will I ever buy another Maschine?

I don't think so because if I can't trust Native Instruments why invest any more money into them?

At least I know I can trust Akai...