MPC Stems - Coming Soon

Pete Rock wouldn't like people being able to sample his records or being to stem samples in general. That's interesting.

All the great producers are mainly know, not just for their skills. The high price barrier of equipment back in the day played a major role in who was able to even get into making beats. So whoever got those devices were serious about it & wanted to the best technology of the day.

Y'all naive AF if you think they wouldn't had used stems if it were available back in the day. Let's not falsely glorify the greats as being too good to had use stems. They didn't use it because it didn't exist, but most would've if they could've.

Also if they did have stems back it would been hell for them Record labels & lawyers trying to sue people for copyright infringement. This tech which isnt even new (some of y'all is showing your age) will not create more wack artists. The same wack artist will still be wack. So don't worry about them, focus on how you can use it to make your art better, if stems is even your thing.

EnochLight wrote:LOl.. where have I heard this before? Oh yeah - literally every music critic and newspaper back in the 80's lamented that sampling was "cheating". This went well on into the early 90's before it was finally accepted as mainstream "art" (copyright/licensing aside).

Stems are literally no different. These youngsters are adorable.

I heard someone say: "The past is always present"

johnnytravels wrote:I’ve used stems in the past. The problem I see is that it’s degrading the audio in an unpleasant way. Individual stems may sound dull and lifeless, and artifacts added are chaotic and not sonically harmonic (like eg SP ring).
But I obviously see the potential and love that it’s already in Serato Sample and Koala sampler.
It will enable some cool stuff, but will also lead to myriads of wack ass tracks with obvious stem separation artifacts…

True, but who's gonna use stem samples & not process them afterwards & or layer them with other sounds.

I make music for fun and entertainment, and mucking about with extracted stems has been great fun. The sound quality is perfectly adequate for that.

B-Wise wrote:Pete Rock wouldn't like people being able to sample his records or being to stem samples in general. That's interesting.

All the great producers are mainly know, not just for their skills. The high price barrier of equipment back in the day played a major role in who was able to even get into making beats. So whoever got those devices were serious about it & wanted to the best technology of the day.

Y'all naive AF if you think they wouldn't had used stems if it were available back in the day. Let's not falsely glorify the greats as being too good to had use stems. They didn't use it because it didn't exist, but most would've if they could've.

Also if they did have stems back it would been hell for them Record labels & lawyers trying to sue people for copyright infringement. This tech which isnt even new (some of y'all is showing your age) will not create more wack artists. The same wack artist will still be wack. So don't worry about them, focus on how you can use it to make your art better, if stems is even your thing.

no one is arguing they would not use stems from the old records from the 70s and 80s they sample; the arguyment was that pete rock would not be sampling drum sounds off a premo record; and vice versa, as that would be biting another producers sound; the ethos would be go and dig in the crates and find ur own breaks to sample and process to make ur own unique drum sounds

jpeg wrote:

B-Wise wrote:Pete Rock wouldn't like people being able to sample his records or being to stem samples in general. That's interesting.

All the great producers are mainly know, not just for their skills. The high price barrier of equipment back in the day played a major role in who was able to even get into making beats. So whoever got those devices were serious about it & wanted to the best technology of the day.

Y'all naive AF if you think they wouldn't had used stems if it were available back in the day. Let's not falsely glorify the greats as being too good to had use stems. They didn't use it because it didn't exist, but most would've if they could've.

Also if they did have stems back it would been hell for them Record labels & lawyers trying to sue people for copyright infringement. This tech which isnt even new (some of y'all is showing your age) will not create more wack artists. The same wack artist will still be wack. So don't worry about them, focus on how you can use it to make your art better, if stems is even your thing.

no one is arguing they would not use stems from the old records from the 70s and 80s they sample; the arguyment was that pete rock would not be sampling drum sounds off a premo record; and vice versa, as that would be biting another producers sound; the ethos would be go and dig in the crates and find ur own breaks to sample and process to make ur own unique drum sounds

That's a maybe, you don't know these people. Also most of them don't have their own sounds since they themselves took them from another artist record. The important thing back then was don't bite another producer style of flipping samples. Like if Pete started making RZA beats. They wouldn't want Ghostface to approach them.

jpeg wrote:no one is arguing they would not use stems from the old records from the 70s and 80s they sample; the arguyment was that pete rock would not be sampling drum sounds off a premo record; and vice versa, as that would be biting another producers sound; the ethos would be go and dig in the crates and find ur own breaks to sample and process to make ur own unique drum sounds

RZA sampled Geoff Barrow's beat for one of his beats Kiss of a black widow.
Just saying

TT_Lab wrote:

jpeg wrote:no one is arguing they would not use stems from the old records from the 70s and 80s they sample; the arguyment was that pete rock would not be sampling drum sounds off a premo record; and vice versa, as that would be biting another producers sound; the ethos would be go and dig in the crates and find ur own breaks to sample and process to make ur own unique drum sounds

RZA sampled Geoff Barrow's beat for one of his beats Kiss of a black widow.
Just saying

ODB's: Let me tell you hoe's somethin'... We love you ****...
RZA: Comb ya hair..

Yo, I love that song "Kiss of a Black Widow" (1998) by RZA & the original "Over" (1997) by Portishead & their live version in 1998. Good point, TT.

Idolizing our hero's isn't healthy. Its prevents one from grow beyond them. Respecting their skills is good enough. But that's its own post all by itself.

Speaking of Pete Rock checkout what he thinks of stems and newer M.P.C's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jQXH6kBbcs

peezo wrote:Speaking of Pete Rock checkout what he thinks of stems and newer M.P.C's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jQXH6kBbcs

as expected from a old records perspective he loves it

jpeg wrote:

peezo wrote:Speaking of Pete Rock checkout what he thinks of stems and newer M.P.C's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jQXH6kBbcs

as expected from a old records perspective he loves it

They both worked hard without the new tech, know what the work to put in is to create something dope, and can still see the value in the new tech coming in to make them better. Awesome!

"I'm cheatin'" and not "You're cheating". Love it

Side note......Pete Rock/Common Album?????? Oh, yeah.

B-Wise wrote:I heard someone say: "The past is always present"

I need that on a t-shirt!

ChristianGeek wrote:

B-Wise wrote:I heard someone say: "The past is always present"

I need that on a t-shirt!

Make it happen!
I wish I knew who said it. Some Africans got a term called Sankofa = “it is not taboo to fetch what is at risk of being left behind.”
When people forget their past they may start to make up stuff & or repeat old mistakes. I ain't got time for that.

so here we are mid month no sign of stems so looks like its gonna be the end of the month, am cool wid dat, maybe they will suprise us with stems standalone as well as controller mode at the same tiem.

interested to hear what ur plans are with stems? for me i have bunch of disco records that i always liked the instrument sounds but that had drums thru the whole record; that i can now use, also them disco record got some amazing frums too.

but on the unpopular sacrilegious side; i plan to sample some bass sounds from that petestrumentals volume 1 album, lmao i aint gonna lie some rap records is up for grabs, as far as sound snatching, but its all about how u flip and reuse them sounds in ur own style.

i know the legends wont approve this practice; but the cat is out the bag, and toothpaste is out the tube now.