With 2.7 is out of the way, what do you think 2.8 should be?

Isn't the Air stuff the stock bundle that comes with Pro Tools? I mean it must work for somebody. They're not bad, we could've gotten way shittier plugins included with it. The Air and the Akai stuff is just fine. The Spring Reverb is a pretty decent replacement for my PSP Nexcellence in standalone. The EQs are nice and clean, the phasers and flangers are way better than the Akai's. The Frequency Shifter is a lot more 'pleasant' too. If you want in your face rude shifting, use the Akai. The Akai Tape Delay plugin is a damn Headrush! You ever played with their old Headrush pedal?? Im not missing any of my Waves or Soundtoys or Eventide stuff YET, but yeah I got hardware too. Between my Roland delay, Lexicon, a Boss SE50 and SE70, and a shit ton of pedals from my guitar rig, Im set. I actually would have an SPX90 if it weren't for the exploding power supply. Im looking for a 900 haha. Its not like we have a ton of outputs, and I lose two right away for kick and snare so the Air and Akai effects are pretty happy in use with the stuff that cant go into its own mixer channel.

cmackg wrote:I think VST hosting in standalone would be amazing. If I could run my Arturia V collection out of the house.....

Hell yeah . attach a midi keyboard up to it and go.

The Air stuff is dope! When l had PT l had them. But they are free with the MPCs l was happy. Loom ll, Hybrid 3 and Xpand 2 are the business! I freakin love making RNB with Loom ll, and l got that for like 15 dollas! Take a sound from Hybrid and two from Lomm ll OMG! Dope! I can make complete songs jus using all of Air instruments and effects.

+100. It's like people forgot how to use their ears. I remember when the MPC 2000XL came out and they said, it's to clean. I want something warm like the 3000. Then the 4000 came out and they said, it's to clean, I want something warm like the 2000XL.

People were in love with the AIR FX when they were exclusive to pro tools. Now, I hear ooh they are dated. Then I listen to their mixes in 2019. There's a whole bunch of know it alls, but you hear their projects and you realize, they don't know it all.

Perhaps in future updates, Akai Pro will allow standalone MPC'S to use JSFX Programming like in Reaper.

Danoc wrote:The Air stuff is dope! When l had PT l had them. But they are free with the MPCs l was happy. Loom ll, Hybrid 3 and Xpand 2 are the business! I freakin love making RNB with Loom ll, and l got that for like 15 dollas! Take a sound from Hybrid and two from Lomm ll OMG! Dope! I can make complete songs jus using all of Air instruments and effects.

I don't recall anyone ever being in love with Air plugins in Pro Tools, except for the studios locked into using them for decades and the users who still think Pro Tools is awesome software.

The fact is, the industry has changed and they are all dated and irrelevant. I know it stings to hear that, but seriously give any other proper DAW a look these days (Ableton Live, Logic, Bitwig, Studio One, Reason, shit - even FL Studio ) and no one thinks of "Air" when it comes to top notch plugins that are cutting edge. Sometimes I wonder if the bubble that exists here will ever be penetrated.

I get that the InMusic ownership thing pretty much makes using Air stuff on Akai gear a given, but Air is not an exciting company, IMHO. But hey, opinions are numerous on the Internetz...

Dudes talking that crap about the2000XL and 3000 should have been doing music they always do that. Someone just said the MPC live is to clean and got a 3000 l love the 3000 but its old technology. Im about that technology not how warm it is. I can make it warm and lush at the mastering process.

Air products out dated? LOL So that dope arse Mini Grand Air has is out dated?
Dudes are crazy when they talk like that. Vintange reverbs etc are makibg a come back. The one who is using and knows how, for the end the consumer doesn't give a damn.

I sound design so my mentality is l can take any sound a morph it to my will. I thought Loom was wack when l had PT. I was wrong, years gone by and my knowledge has expanded and now l see Loom ll as a serious asset to my RnB and Trap music. A piano never gets played out lol if a person thinks that they are buggin.

CharlesRandolph wrote:+100. It's like people forgot how to use their ears. I remember when the MPC 2000XL came out and they said, it's to clean. I want something warm like the 3000. Then the 4000 came out and they said, it's to clean, I want something warm like the 2000XL.

People were in love with the AIR FX when they were exclusive to pro tools. Now, I hear ooh they are dated. Then I listen to their mixes in 2019. There's a whole bunch of know it alls, but you hear their projects and you realize, they don't know it all.

Perhaps in future updates, Akai Pro will allow standalone MPC'S to use JSFX Programming like in Reaper.

Debate tiiiiiiiimmmmmmeeeee!

I dont wanna talk about opinions lets talk facts.
Those right now who use PT in major studios still have Air effects till this day.
Home studios who had PTLe and MBox didn't get into them cause they couldn't afford them. Back then Air products were not free.

The sound of the Mini Grand and Velvet are outdated? You can put both in an RnB or Trap joint today and depending on the producer it can smash! Hybrid 3 was up graded, FOR TODAY'S PRODUCERS! Riser for TODAY'S EDM PRODUCERS is great in it's functions and good for Pop musuc also.

The fact is Air has updated their joints giving it that cutting edge (which is overated) you talk about in DAWs. Cutting edge depends on how one uses it. I guarantee l can make the dopest RnB track with nothing but Air Products! Put me to the challenge and you make a track with your cutting edge stuff.

The effects as you and l know have been updated and are dope! FACT a lot of hits been made with Air products.

Air Products are just another tool. End consumers wouldn't give a crap they want a dope song.

https://www.airmusictech.com/product/ai ... f-urFNOk0M

EnochLight wrote:I don't recall anyone ever being in love with Air plugins in Pro Tools, except for the studios locked into using them for decades and the users who still think Pro Tools is awesome software.

The fact is, the industry has changed and they are all dated and irrelevant. I know it stings to hear that, but seriously give any other proper DAW a look these days (Ableton Live, Logic, Bitwig, Studio One, Reason, **** - even FL Studio ) and no one thinks of "Air" when it comes to top notch plugins that are cutting edge. Sometimes I wonder if the bubble that exists here will ever be penetrated.

I get that the InMusic ownership thing pretty much makes using Air stuff on Akai gear a given, but Air is not an exciting company, IMHO. But hey, opinions are numerous on the Internetz...

Transfuser 2, if this ain't cutting edge technology l don't know what is.

Compose, Intelligently
M.A.R.I.O., or Musically Advanced Random Intelligence Operations, is a powerful tool that analyzes your music to intelligently generate chords, melodies, and variations that complement your track. Use M.A.R.I.O.’s advanced algorithms to evaluate the musical characteristics of your song and search its smart tables to find similar or dissimilar (similarity is determined by the Variation settings) phrase styles and rhythms. M.A.R.I.O can also manipulate parameters such as the pitch, rhythm, level, filter, and more. With M.A.R.I.O., you can simply click to create inspiring melodies, compelling loops and sequences, or build up the accompaniment.

https://www.airmusictech.com/product/tr ... f-5rlNOk0M

I don't really see how they're 'outdated'.. I mean they're bread and butter standard tools. They do the job they were supposed to do. The reverb doesn't sound like a tin can, the delays echo for days, the flanges flange, etc. Sure I don't have any crazy Echorec or Angel Spring Reverb models but they're decent enough if thats all you get to work with. I really don't see them any different than Logic's stock tool kit. The only difference is Apple has the money to swallow other companies technology and poach devs so they started adding things like modeling tech to the compressors and whatnot. The Air and Akai stuff still has the same flavors, the opto and VCA comps are pretty rad for drums and do the basic job they're supposed to do even though they're not a specific 1176 or DBX/API model.. The things I DO miss are the weird Eventide stuff I have. The band delays, quadravox, etc.. But thats why I have the SE50 and SE70 to run mixer channels through.

I haven't had anybody thats heard my new stuff on the MPC tell me 'Oh man that was so cool but it would've been so much better if you would've used that Waves CLA-76 on the bass instead of that Akai Opto!'

Same here. The RnB artist are not complaining but asking "WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT SOUND " and l hate to tell them lol l be trying to keep stuff a secret lol

Monotremata wrote:I don't really see how they're 'outdated'.. I mean they're bread and butter standard tools. They do the job they were supposed to do. The reverb doesn't sound like a tin can, the delays echo for days, the flanges flange, etc. Sure I don't have any crazy Echorec or Angel Spring Reverb models but they're decent enough if thats all you get to work with. I really don't see them any different than Logic's stock tool kit. The only difference is Apple has the money to swallow other companies technology and poach devs so they started adding things like modeling tech to the compressors and whatnot. The Air and Akai stuff still has the same flavors, the opto and VCA comps are pretty rad for drums and do the basic job they're supposed to do even though they're not a specific 1176 or DBX/API model.. The things I DO miss are the weird Eventide stuff I have. The band delays, quadravox, etc.. But thats why I have the SE50 and SE70 to run mixer channels through.

I haven't had anybody thats heard my new stuff on the MPC tell me 'Oh man that was so cool but it would've been so much better if you would've used that Waves CLA-76 on the bass instead of that Akai Opto!'

EnochLight wrote:I don't recall anyone ever being in love with Air plugins in Pro Tools, except for the studios locked into using them for decades and the users who still think Pro Tools is awesome software.

The fact is, the industry has changed and they are all dated and irrelevant. I know it stings to hear that, but seriously give any other proper DAW a look these days (Ableton Live, Logic, Bitwig, Studio One, Reason, **** - even FL Studio ) and no one thinks of "Air" when it comes to top notch plugins that are cutting edge. Sometimes I wonder if the bubble that exists here will ever be penetrated.

I get that the InMusic ownership thing pretty much makes using Air stuff on Akai gear a given, but Air is not an exciting company, IMHO. But hey, opinions are numerous on the Internetz...

I was in love with air fx on protools and I am love with them on Mpc.
So there is one.
Minigrand and Velvet are still the best acoustic and electric piano plugins so far.
I like Air products because they are not fancy, they don't open up 3d images of a piano with red carpet, they don't make chains of effects pretending to be new effects and so on.
They are basic and professional and never mess up the quality of source sound like many do.

There are 2, no 3, no 4, there are hundreds of using Air products.

They just work like they are suppose to without the fancy bull crap. Though l have them for free l bought some to use on my office computer, add they are cheap! I freakin love Loom ll. With the "RANDOMIZER" tab it just gets better. The visual of it is dope. You know l had to get some 3rd party presets for it lol

Not long ago l asked about the Air effects and where l could cop then
When l do a snare hit lm able to get a very nice tail the way l want it. I can't get that with the Fabfilter Pro R.

Frisbi you are on point.

Frisbi wrote:I was in love with air fx on protools and I am love with them on Mpc.
So there is one.
Minigrand and Velvet are still the best acoustic and electric piano plugins so far.
I like Air products because they are not fancy, they don't open up 3d images of a piano with red carpet, they don't make chains of effects pretending to be new effects and so on.
They are basic and professional and never mess up the quality of source sound like many do.

Danoc wrote:There are 2, no 3, no 4, there are hundreds of using Air products.

They just work like they are suppose to without the fancy bull ****. Though l have them for free l bought some to use on my office computer, add they are cheap! I freakin love Loom ll. With the "RANDOMIZER" tab it just gets better. The visual of it is dope. You know l had to get some 3rd party presets for it lol

Not long ago l asked about the Air effects and where l could cop then
When l do a snare hit lm able to get a very nice tail the way l want it. I can't get that with the Fabfilter Pro R.

Frisbi you are on point.

Frisbi wrote:I was in love with air fx on protools and I am love with them on Mpc.
So there is one.
Minigrand and Velvet are still the best acoustic and electric piano plugins so far.
I like Air products because they are not fancy, they don't open up 3d images of a piano with red carpet, they don't make chains of effects pretending to be new effects and so on.
They are basic and professional and never mess up the quality of source sound like many do.

Ahah thanks mate.
I think the combination of Akai and Air fx is just perfect.
I use Akai distortions and delays, especially tape one which comes from headrush I suppose.
For the rest, I use Air.
So all is covered, and we can also choose a dirty akai compressor or a clean digital Air one and so on.
I cannot understand how we could complain about that.
It's the strongest side of Mpc, for me.

EnochLight wrote:I don't recall anyone ever being in love with Air plugins in Pro Tools, except for the studios locked into using them for decades and the users who still think Pro Tools is awesome software.

If you don't think Pro Tools is awesome, it's because you've never actually used an full spec'ed Avid Pro Tools HDX system.

EnochLight wrote:The fact is, the industry has changed and they are all dated and irrelevant. I know it stings to hear that, but seriously give any other proper DAW a look these days (Ableton Live, Logic, Bitwig, Studio One, Reason, **** - even FL Studio ) and no one thinks of "Air" when it comes to top notch plugins that are cutting edge. Sometimes I wonder if the bubble that exists here will ever be penetrated.

Please give us your audio examples of what Top Notch Plugin sound like.
Here's a simple audio break: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LlSOM ... V-MdwEOQAY

Danoc wrote:Dudes talking that **** about the2000XL and 3000 should have been doing music they always do that. Someone just said the MPC live is to clean and got a 3000 l love the 3000 but its old technology. Im about that technology not how warm it is. I can make it warm and lush at the mastering process.

Air products out dated? LOL So that dope arse Mini Grand Air has is out dated?
Dudes are crazy when they talk like that. Vintange reverbs etc are makibg a come back. The one who is using and knows how, for the end the consumer doesn't give a damn.

I sound design so my mentality is l can take any sound a morph it to my will. I thought Loom was wack when l had PT. I was wrong, years gone by and my knowledge has expanded and now l see Loom ll as a serious asset to my RnB and Trap music. A piano never gets played out lol if a person thinks that they are buggin.

In 3 years, they'll call the MPC LIVE/X warm and a classic.

Monotremata wrote:I haven't had anybody thats heard my new stuff on the MPC tell me 'Oh man that was so cool but it would've been so much better if you would've used that Waves CLA-76 on the bass instead of that Akai Opto!'

The bass is all wrong without the Eventide Omni.