2.7 Out Now

Frisbi wrote:Just move around modes in standalone with menu+pad for an hour and tell me how many glitches you get.
I usually have 3 or 4 of them. And that's a device called Live, and I bought it to get rid of computer.
But nobody seems to care about that. Akai for example.

Are you referring to changing menus like Next Sequence, Track Mute. etc. Are you able to repeat the glitch and make it happen in the same place or is it something that happens at random times?

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Frisbi wrote:Just move around modes in standalone with menu+pad for an hour and tell me how many glitches you get.
I usually have 3 or 4 of them. And that's a device called Live, and I bought it to get rid of computer.
But nobody seems to care about that. Akai for example.

Are you referring to changing menus like Next Sequence, Track Mute. etc. Are you able to repeat and make it happen in the same place each time?

I am referring to jump from track mute to qlink page or next sequence and so on with menu+pad.
Also from main to them with menu+pad.
It's months and months I am checking, there is no pattern and they happen randomly.
Projects are light, never more then 30% cpu and never more then half of Ram is used.
In an hour, it usually happens 3 or 4 times in different positions.
I am just trying to understand if I have a faulty unit or if it's a OS problem.
Nobody here is helping me since it seems nobody uses MpC live on stage in standalone or track out to record.
And Akai support is dead these months.

Frisbi wrote:I am referring to jump from track mute to qlink page or next sequence and so on with menu+pad. Also from main to them with menu+pad. It's months and months I am checking, there is no pattern and they happen randomly. Projects are light, never more then 30% cpu and never more then half of Ram is used.

In an hour, it usually happens 3 or 4 times in different positions. I am just trying to understand if I have a faulty unit or if it's a OS problem. Nobody here is helping me since it seems nobody uses MpC live on stage in standalone or track out to record. And Akai support is dead these months.

Perhaps you're moving faster, than the machine can process your movements. Could be due to the under-powered cpu, slow RAM, or the slow read speed of the internal SD card. You said running for an hour. Maybe it's a heat issue.

Look into getting a cooling fan, when you do long sets.

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Frisbi wrote:I am referring to jump from track mute to qlink page or next sequence and so on with menu+pad. Also from main to them with menu+pad. It's months and months I am checking, there is no pattern and they happen randomly. Projects are light, never more then 30% cpu and never more then half of Ram is used.

In an hour, it usually happens 3 or 4 times in different positions. I am just trying to understand if I have a faulty unit or if it's a OS problem. Nobody here is helping me since it seems nobody uses MpC live on stage in standalone or track out to record. And Akai support is dead these months.

Perhaps you're moving faster, than the machine can process your movements. Could be due to the under-powered cpu, slow RAM, or the slow read speed of the internal SD card. You said running for an hour. Maybe it's a heat issue.

Look into getting a cooling fan, when you do long sets.

What do you mean with moving too fast?
I don't move too fast, I just play live, is it a device to be played live or what?
It's not a heat issue, I already checked.
And ram and cpu, as I said before (did you read it?) are not the issue as well, projects are light.
I don't use sd card.
I checked all, man, I have my Live since 2 years and I play concerts and record music with it.

Frisbi wrote:What do you mean with moving too fast? I don't move too fast, I just play live, is it a device to be played live or what? It's not a heat issue, I already checked. And ram and cpu, as I said before (did you read it?) are not the issue as well, projects are light.

I don't use sd card. I checked all, man, I have my Live since 2 years and I play concerts and record music with it.

There is an internal SD card that the OS is on and that internal SD card is slow. Any gear running for an hour will heat up, especially a tablet SOC. The SOC they use in the MPC LIVE/X, was also in used in older Tablets and Chrome Books and they had performance issues. Due to internal temperature.

As far as moving to fast, yes you can move too fast if you're a power user. That's one reason I can't play around with under powered computers. I move fast and I don't want to wait around for it to catch up. That one of the reason, I returned the MPC X it was too slow for me.

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Frisbi wrote:What do you mean with moving too fast? I don't move too fast, I just play live, is it a device to be played live or what? It's not a heat issue, I already checked. And ram and cpu, as I said before (did you read it?) are not the issue as well, projects are light.

I don't use sd card. I checked all, man, I have my Live since 2 years and I play concerts and record music with it.

There is an internal SD card that the OS is on and that internal SD card is slow. Any gear running for an hour will heat up, especially a tablet SOC. The SOC they use in the MPC LIVE/X, was also in used in older Tablets and Chrome Books and they had performance issues. Due to internal temperature.

As far as moving to fast, yes you can move too fast if you're a power user. That's one reason I can't play around with under powered computers. I move fast and I don't want to wait around for it to catch up. That one of the reason, I returned the MPC X it was too slow for me.

So you are telling me that Mpc is not aimed for live performances?
That's your answer?
It means I have to sell it back and look for something else?
Or wait for a new better one hopefully on Namm?
That's weird, I bought a device called Live that I cannot trust to play it live?

Frisbi wrote:So you are telling me that Mpc is not aimed for live performances? That's your answer?

You said it glitches on you while navigating menus. So either you have to slow down, upgrade the internal card, or get something faster.

Frisbi wrote: It means I have to sell it back and look for something else? Or wait for a new better one hopefully on Namm? That's weird, I bought a device called Live that I cannot trust to play it live?

You can keep it and accept that it continue to glitch. Perhaps you have to change that slow internal SD card. I'm sure someone has done it by now. You can play it live, you just have to understand the limits.

Question: When you say glitch, is it an audio drop out, a visual glitch, or both?

This is a super weird update.
Not a bad one, but a weird one.
I *personally* don't understand using the MPC as a controller for any DAW - if I want the pads, there are MUCH cheaper options (from Akai), and any more control, there are better and cheaper controllers out there.

However, I honestly think this was a "toss in" update...

This should have been on the roadmap for the Force, and most likely, part of unifying all three units is merging their roadmap, so the Live/X are going to get stuff they weren't truly designed for - that the Force WAS designed for...this all makes SENSE for the Force as a Push alternative. It makes no sense for an MPC, but again, I think this is the MPC having to stop on the road for the Force to take a pee-break.

As for why Ableton, others have already gone into it - Akai has experience with Ableton integration thanks to the APC series and the original Push, its pretty open, and despite people here not using it frequently *its my main DAW*, its one of the most popular.

I think the real thing that needs to be asked - instead of complaints, is whats the turn around for 2.8? The timing of 2.7 seems like someone got an ultimatum to get Ableton integration done this calendar year. So the update(s) that people know are currently in testing should hopefully not have too much of a turn around.
- Unreall

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Frisbi wrote:So you are telling me that Mpc is not aimed for live performances? That's your answer?

You said it glitches on you while navigating menus. So either you have to slow down, upgrade the internal card, or get something faster.

Frisbi wrote: It means I have to sell it back and look for something else? Or wait for a new better one hopefully on Namm? That's weird, I bought a device called Live that I cannot trust to play it live?

You can keep it and accept that it continue to glitch. Perhaps you have to change that slow internal SD card. I'm sure someone has done it by now. You can play it live, you just have to understand the limits.

Edit: When you say glitch, is it an audio drop out or just visual glitch?

There is nothing on my internal sd.
I don't use it. I use an hd and all is loaded into ram as I load projects.
It's a audio glitch, a hiccup.
And I don't think it has nothing to do with internal sd, honestly.
If I understand, you are saying that Mpc is untrustable in a live performance environment.
Do you think I can accept to play a concert without knowing if it makes glitches or not?
Be serious, please.
I cannot blame national electricity forever, sooner or later they will discover I am cheating ahah.
Ok, let's wait for Namm and if nothing happens, bye bye Akai.

Frisbi wrote:There is nothing on my internal sd. I don't use it. I use an hd and all is loaded into ram as I load projects.
It's a audio glitch, a hiccup. And I don't think it has nothing to do with internal sd, honestly.
If I understand, you are saying that Mpc is untrustable in a live performance environment.

Audio loaded into the RAM and you're getting audio glitches. Could be heat effecting the under-powered SOC. Especially after a hour set.

Frisbi wrote:Do you think I can accept to play a concert without knowing if it makes glitches or not? Be serious, please. I cannot blame national electricity forever, sooner or later they will discover I am cheating ahah. Ok, let's wait for Namm and if nothing happens, bye bye Akai.

Hard to say, I don't know your setup and hard you push the gear.

Unreallystic wrote:This is a super weird update.
Not a bad one, but a weird one.
I *personally* don't understand using the MPC as a controller for any DAW - if I want the pads, there are MUCH cheaper options (from Akai), and any more control, there are better and cheaper controllers out there.

However, I honestly think this was a "toss in" update...

This should have been on the roadmap for the Force, and most likely, part of unifying all three units is merging their roadmap, so the Live/X are going to get stuff they weren't truly designed for - that the Force WAS designed for...this all makes SENSE for the Force as a Push alternative. It makes no sense for an MPC, but again, I think this is the MPC having to stop on the road for the Force to take a pee-break.

As for why Ableton, others have already gone into it - Akai has experience with Ableton integration thanks to the APC series and the original Push, its pretty open, and despite people here not using it frequently *its my main DAW*, its one of the most popular.

I think the real thing that needs to be asked - instead of complaints, is whats the turn around for 2.8? The timing of 2.7 seems like someone got an ultimatum to get Ableton integration done this calendar year. So the update(s) that people know are currently in testing should hopefully not have too much of a turn around.
- Unreall

I'm sure this is a pre-hype for their NAMM 2020 announcement. Perhaps, they acquired a company or releasing the Force X or Both.

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Frisbi wrote:There is nothing on my internal sd. I don't use it. I use an hd and all is loaded into ram as I load projects.
It's a audio glitch, a hiccup. And I don't think it has nothing to do with internal sd, honestly.
If I understand, you are saying that Mpc is untrustable in a live performance environment.

Audio loaded into the RAM and you're getting audio glitches. Could be heat effecting the under-powered SOC.

Frisbi wrote:Do you think I can accept to play a concert without knowing if it makes glitches or not? Be serious, please. I cannot blame national electricity forever, sooner or later they will discover I am cheating ahah. Ok, let's wait for Namm and if nothing happens, bye bye Akai.

Hard to say, I don't know your setup and hard you push the gear.

The fact that it only happens when I change mode, makes me think it is related to some page refreshing.
Maybe the underpowered cpu cannot handle all datas at same time.
Just a guess, of course.
But you are right, it is of course related to cpu, even if I never go more then 30% of cpu.
I have Mpc, track out 1/2 master, 3/4 effects and 5/6 some synths or keygroup going to external hardware effects.
That's it.
I use feedbacks of external effects or sample on the fly with a KP3 to fill the silence between project loading.
I really love my set and i am happy with that, if they only solve these problems....

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Unreallystic wrote:This is a super weird update.
Not a bad one, but a weird one.
I *personally* don't understand using the MPC as a controller for any DAW - if I want the pads, there are MUCH cheaper options (from Akai), and any more control, there are better and cheaper controllers out there.

However, I honestly think this was a "toss in" update...

This should have been on the roadmap for the Force, and most likely, part of unifying all three units is merging their roadmap, so the Live/X are going to get stuff they weren't truly designed for - that the Force WAS designed for...this all makes SENSE for the Force as a Push alternative. It makes no sense for an MPC, but again, I think this is the MPC having to stop on the road for the Force to take a pee-break.

As for why Ableton, others have already gone into it - Akai has experience with Ableton integration thanks to the APC series and the original Push, its pretty open, and despite people here not using it frequently *its my main DAW*, its one of the most popular.

I think the real thing that needs to be asked - instead of complaints, is whats the turn around for 2.8? The timing of 2.7 seems like someone got an ultimatum to get Ableton integration done this calendar year. So the update(s) that people know are currently in testing should hopefully not have too much of a turn around.
- Unreall

I'm sure this is a pre-hype for their NAMM 2020 announcement. Perhaps, they acquired a company or releasing the Force X or Both.

Yeah all point to something new on Namm.
The total silence, the price drops, the roadmap not followed anymore.
Maybe they realized 2gb is not enough for new features or even a working device without bugs and glitches?
Or maybe THAT was the roadmap, developing Mpc until cpu and ram reached a limit and then come out with a more powerful one?
That's very possible, in my opinion.

Frisbi wrote: But you are right, it is of course related to cpu, even if I never go more then 30% of cpu.
I have Mpc, track out 1/2 master, 3/4 effects and 5/6 some synths or keygroup going to external hardware effects. That's it.

This configuration could be the bottleneck, that causing the audio glitches. Try a test without the effects or without synth/key-groups. Maybe 2.7 and Ableton is just what you need.