Very real line of thought

I posted this at gear slutz but i am posting here too because GS is ... well idk yet because I picked up all this forum stuff once i stopped some old habits
And needed new ones , and got back into gear and recording and stuff .

Anywyas

Under the FILT / ENV tab, you can choose the amount that velocity modulates the attack envelope “VEL>ATK” , and under the LFO MODULATION tab, there is a slider that allows you to choose how much velocity sensitivity to send to the attack of the amp envelope “ATTACK”.

I feel like this is a bit redundant as one of the 4 modulation sources in each case, and am wondering why that would strike anyone as being a good creative option, to have as a modulation option for both the VCF and VCA discretely on separate pages as opposed to lumping them together with a switch (link VCA/VCF) and giving us more modulation options ? I am wondering if it is just a way of fluffing up the GUI so it looks like there are more options while keeping programming to a minimum? It doesnt seem streamlined or very well-thought out, and I find it really disappointing.

I am trying so hard not to dislike this thing because of the money ive put into it ... I have to take long breaks in between uses , but i really dont want to let it go.

I think im going to hold onto it in the hopes that it will find its way into the hands of programmers who see its potential and who are musically likeminded who get hired on somehow and will improve the software so that it makes better use of the touch screen , relatively robust processing power / capabilities , and make it so that you can push the samples already in it farther (base benchmark: fruity loops’ sample edit windows , pipe dream: simpler / sampler )

And i really hope it doesnt go further down the line of absurdity to include splice before this happens. I feel so dirty using other peoples’ samples (unless they werent created with the intention of being used in other compositions) ... if they decide to push for more of OTHER PEOPLES’ sounds instead of giving us more ways to manipate and sculpt our own, i will absoluteky 100% lose it. Haha.

I don't know fam.. The MPC Live and X, even with their shortcomings are dope. That's all I got. Merry Christmas.

There are indeed some shortcomings but the things that can do are overruling them.
But keep making noise..!! We need these units to get better than they are now.

Not trying to say anything too harsh i just have feelings haha...

I hope some of this made sense and is constructive too

I got what you mean. I had my differences. There are even basic things not well implemented or not there at all that I would like to see remedied but if I bought in to wait for such features, then I'm a sucker for buying a fantasy that will never come true. So, I sold my Live. They sell fast too nowadays, I had mine up for 20 minutes before it was snatched up. If you still got the box, you can make your money back. Without, around $500 to $750.

I bought it second hand on guitar center used page for like 750 which was a good deal. I think im going to hold onto it becasuse , for one, i put a TB ssd on it and backed up soo much random stuff. Its amazing to have that ability to just like smoke some and sit witb the box editing old files . Lol. But i just have a hsrd time putting full tracks together , or finding sweet spots with everything onboard . Im just gonna wait for an expanded mod system and some more creative fx. I hope this hapoens . I hope it doesnt turn into a ready-made sample player. I was lamentting on gearslutz forum that music tech seems to be going further from customizeabity into MRE pre recorded liop packs that you just smoosh together. Tgere will slways be the sideline ppl being creative ...

Im a stupid ass millenial hut ive been making stuff since very young (on flp etc ) so it still makes me angry to see the music tech schene go more towsrds like loop packs . Ive always hated loop pscks . **** liop packs , everyone . Grr. And modular is kinda ok if you like monophonic synth lines but i wish someone wiuld make a all in one sample machine with a modular framework . I actually pre ordered the tastychiops gr-1 which i cant wait for !!!!! Anyways ... i hope akai takes some notice of like the fruity loops sample window or ableton simpler or sampler or absynth or something and upgrades itself into the fiture

Cclong wrote:I bought it second hand on guitar center used page for like 750 which was a good deal. I think im going to hold onto it becasuse , for one, i put a TB ssd on it and backed up soo much random stuff. Its amazing to have that ability to just like smoke some and sit witb the box editing old files . Lol. But i just have a hsrd time putting full tracks together , or finding sweet spots with everything onboard . Im just gonna wait for an expanded mod system and some more creative fx. I hope this hapoens . I hope it doesnt turn into a ready-made sample player. I was lamentting on gearslutz forum that music tech seems to be going further from customizeabity into MRE pre recorded liop packs that you just smoosh together. Tgere will slways be the sideline ppl being creative ...

Im a stupid ass millenial hut ive been making stuff since very young (on flp etc ) so it still makes me angry to see the music tech schene go more towsrds like loop packs . Ive always hated loop pscks . **** liop packs , everyone . Grr. And modular is kinda ok if you like monophonic synth lines but i wish someone wiuld make a all in one sample machine with a modular framework . I actually pre ordered the tastychiops gr-1 which i cant wait for !!!!! Anyways ... i hope akai takes some notice of like the fruity loops sample window or ableton simpler or sampler or absynth or something and upgrades itself into the fiture

It's never the Loop Packs. It's up to the user to listen, chop, manipulate, layer and sculpt the sound into something they want them to be.

As for the MPC, it sounds like you need more time to wrap your head around it. Also not to be overtly anal, but could you spell and grammar check your post. It would make it easier, to understand what you're trying to communicate.

I'll never understand the "loop packs are bad because everyone has the same packs", yet when we all sample from the same records, the argument is "yeah, but I flipped it different", yet that's the same thing people are doing with sample packs (well, some are, some aren't). And for years we all had the same hardware synths. But no one ever argued that the Roland XV5080 was bad because everyone had it. Like Charles said, it's what you do with the sounds that matters.

There is a world of sound out there... go find your inspiration where ever it may be.

Cclong wrote:I bought it second hand on guitar center used page for like 750 which was a good deal. I think im going to hold onto it becasuse , for one, i put a TB ssd on it and backed up soo much random stuff. Its amazing to have that ability to just like smoke some and sit witb the box editing old files . Lol. But i just have a hsrd time putting full tracks together , or finding sweet spots with everything onboard . Im just gonna wait for an expanded mod system and some more creative fx. I hope this hapoens . I hope it doesnt turn into a ready-made sample player. I was lamentting on gearslutz forum that music tech seems to be going further from customizeabity into MRE pre recorded liop packs that you just smoosh together. Tgere will slways be the sideline ppl being creative ...

Im a stupid ass millenial hut ive been making stuff since very young (on flp etc ) so it still makes me angry to see the music tech schene go more towsrds like loop packs . Ive always hated loop pscks . **** liop packs , everyone . Grr. And modular is kinda ok if you like monophonic synth lines but i wish someone wiuld make a all in one sample machine with a modular framework . I actually pre ordered the tastychiops gr-1 which i cant wait for !!!!! Anyways ... i hope akai takes some notice of like the fruity loops sample window or ableton simpler or sampler or absynth or something and upgrades itself into the fiture

Oh I understand you, don't worry about the stupid replies of people.
I also hate loop packs and I use my own samples and I have some difficulties in building them on Mpc.
My workaround is to build samples with fix bpm on mac and then import them on Mpc which is a great tool for performances more then for editing.
I also miss some more creative fx and also sone good basic phaser and I am waiting for a working XY.
Anyway, apart from these limitations, I found Mpc is a great tool to play live once you have settled all your projects and you can work with just pad mute, track mute and qlinks.
And I am not a millenial, I am 45.
My suggestion is to br patient and spend time with Mpc, you will have great satisfaction

Frisbi wrote:Oh I understand you, don't worry about the stupid replies of people.

1. My comment is not stupid, so don't insult my intelligence.

2. This is a written forum and the idea is to write in a clear enough fashion. So that others can understand his point. He doesn't have to be Ernest Hemingway, but my lord, at least give it once over before clicking the submit button.

3. If anyone submits bug or feature request written like that. Don't be surprised, if Akai Pro does not read them.

Frisbi wrote:Oh I understand you, don't worry about the stupid replies of people.

Which replies are “stupid”? I don’t ask to antagonize. But if mine were “stupid”, I’d love to understand how or why.

Eyalc wrote:

Frisbi wrote:Oh I understand you, don't worry about the stupid replies of people.

Which replies are “stupid”? I don’t ask to antagonize. But if mine were “stupid”, I’d love to understand how or why.

I think the comment was directed towards me, because I requested a spell and grammar check. He must've assumed I was trolling, when truthful I was being sincere. I really want to understand him, but I do not want to break out the decoder. Not to forget, we have people from all over the world on this forums.

But ask you said, there are many people with the same keyboards and it was never an issue. Personally, I buy gear for what it can do right now for my compositions, not for what it could potentially do. When the Live and X first came out, if a person could not make good music on it. It had nothing to do with the machine and everything to do with them not knowing what to do or they are just terrible.

Gotcha. I don’t know. Could have been directed at me.

Yeah, these MPCs, while in need of things, are capable. Doesn’t matter the sound source, skill trumps all.

Not to diminish your point OP. I understand your points. As recommended, hold on to it, work with it. You’ll be fine.

If he started composing music using Software DAW on a Desktop. Then moving to a Stand alone MPC he's going to be in a world of hurt when it comes to capabilities. My main issue with any MPC is the slow starting process of creating music.

This is why Roland and Akai Pro started to include built in sounds with the samplers. They knew the process was too slow for when inspirations strikes. Especially compared to other instrument. All we have to do is pick it up and start playing.

That is why Pre package sound sets and loop packs here. (Speaking to the OP) It reduces the wait time of composing on an MPC. Personally, I think this is the reason, I don't like to watch beats being made. Just too much dead air, unless you count people smashing buttons musical.