By CharlesRandolph Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:26 pm
Cockdiesel wrote:I see both your points of view and can relate. The live still feels like a better writing tool for me. It's just so quick for me to rough out ideas. I am really hoping that the integration between the mpc and force is expanded on. Id really like to be able to get some good ideas started wherever with the live, and expand on those ideas with the force.
I have a hard time taking tracks all the way with just using the live and then exporting to ableton. I tend to get way too distracted with fleshing out the track more. Hopefully now I can get a track set up in force and finish the track with everything planned out and organized better.
Also agree the force doesn't seem to have the same magic for just pounding out rhythms, BUT it has that same type of magic for me with melodies and keyboard stuff. I know the MPC can do it but its really cluncky compared to have more than a 61 note keyboard with all the progressions and other functions right there with pads that seemed way more intended to complement the keyboard controlling aspect. Seriously wasnt expecting how expressive and streamlined the pads on the force are. I was expecting APC buttons with maybe velocity.
The biggest differance I see with sampling is that with the live I can use the MPC software to make keygroups with my hardware and be able to record it on my soundcard, which is better than the one on the live. I am able to use plugins to help this process out. Like helping with the really low output of one of my synths. Although the new air effects make this easier in standalone. The keygroups i've been making with a computer sound alot better and I can edit them better if I wanted to.
The force seems limited to just being able to make groups with it's inputs and only on the machine. How it will work with ableton integration is anyone's guess. If the force gets integration with mpc software, it will be the same. I will agree that these machines, live and force, need better sampling options. Right now for me to make my keygroups perfect id have to transfer them over to another program. I can do that now, but have just been trying to catalog alot of the presents on the hardware synths I have. Although I may never just set them in stone. Having 100's of patchs is almost endless possibilities, especially if they enhance the sampling or maybe even just let us load them into a plugin like hype. Hype is far superior to the other three in my book, btw.
I was considering helping a friend out because he's a MPC head, and I can tell he is jealous of the live I have. He doesn't have much money and a big family he supports. He still rocks his older MPC, but I know the live is perfect for his situation and could take his stuff to the next level. I'm pretty sure besides the stuff we have done together none of his beats ever made it off his MPC.
I have alot of time to dedicate to figuring out this stuff starting today, so I am sure my opinions and thoughts might change some on all this.
Have you connected the force and live together via MIDI? Then use the live to sequence the force in clip mode.