Sample Loop start point before Start point

Hi there
I have samples exactly cut to 1bar at specific tempo , only some of these start before the time , so I am trying to have a sample start point on the right beat ( later than sample start) but in order to have a correct loop afterwards have the loop start point before the sample start point .
First thing i tried , with gear tab / loop lock off in program edit mode (warp samples /sample window) I can have the loopstart point after the the sample start point but not BEFORE that sample start point
I used to do that with other samplers .
Also tried in sample edit mode
Is there something i am completely missing here maybe?

Thought about another solution which would be to copy that sample right after itself and then trim it on the first beat i want to the exact bar length , but still cant figure how to do that in sample edit mode
(copy does it as another sample i do not know how to join two samples one after the other as one single sample)

Could you insert the sample on an audio track, loop it, move it so that the start point is at the start of a bar, and then bounce a single bar to a new WAV file?

HouseWithoutMouse wrote:Could you insert the sample on an audio track, loop it, move it so that the start point is at the start of a bar, and then bounce a single bar to a new WAV file?

I guess i could. Never tried . Thanks a lot . I recorded a long track of modular stuff and isolated a whole bunch of loops , maybe a bit too fast . When i pad play them it becomes obvious i need to set the start point for half of them . A pain to play off time stuff . when not completely atmospheric i mean.

I think i'm going back to the mac for editing then.

If you guys know of a solution for complete start point loop independance inna MPC i'm in .
or splicing samples together in sample edit? remember you could do that with Akai S950 way back...

You could of course slice the loop and play the slices in a different order, like from 1-2-3-4 to 3-4-1-2.

does that sounds really good when you have a full on loop?
modular tends to incorporate lots of (sound) changes, cutting up does not -always- result in 'realistic' chops

quite disgusting that such a basic feature isn't available in sample edit by default