Help me Understand 9th's opinion of Jay Dee (Filtering)

Hey Guys,

I was reading a thread about Dilla on OKP. And on it, 9th posted this concerning J Dillas Production:

check it, on some real shit, for hip-hop production as we know it, everybody samples, but damn, for cats who sample, Jay-Dee is THE #1 reason why I spend an extra THIRTY MINUTES on drum selection after the sample is done. I learned chops from Preem, basslines anmd filters from Pete, voice sample usage from the RZA, but that drum shit and bringing the sample, bass, and voices to life, ALL JAY. Oh yeah, all these cats with offbeat drums, and crazy filters, Jay is the pioneer of that shit. While we were saying "damn, and "shit" and "what the ****" to Pete and Preems beats in amazement, Jay's production is the first shit I've ever said "ooooooh" to.

The second is the mighty Nicolay. This **** is dope as ****, best believe it. His beats will really put you in place.


So, we can safely say that Jay is on the Mount Olympus of beatmakers with Pete, Preem, Rza, and Dre.

Don't be fooled by the so-called "new jay". That **** probably still got oohgobs of "old jay" beats just chillin in the cut, waitin for a **** to slip.

Like it or don't like.

It's the damn truth.

Shit, I bumped Fantastic vol. 2 like it was Midnight Marauders reincarnated, and that album is over 90% DILLA lets not forget.

Nuff Said

Peace

The part about the Crazy Filters... I dont understand that. I mean the part about the drums is clear cause i can hear that in Dillas production. But i wanted to understand the Filtering a little more. Dilla uses a MPC 3000. And does that thing have filtering capabilities that would warp a sound that much? I am sorry, i need to understand this whole filtering concept first cause i think im missing something.

But does anyone with a understanding of Filtering and Dillas sound care to break it down for me? Maybe with a song example to illustrate what the filtering is doing to the sound?

Someone on the forum also mentioned that ?uest had these points on Slum Village's Fantastic Vol. 2. As you can see he also mentiones filtering on point 16:


i'm not quest but that's what he said:1. making stale beats taste fresh (intro-uses tired "god made me funky" break. but here it sounds great)

2. rarely hear 16 bar hi-hat patterns

3. i don't know...nuff said

4. the latin percussion that sounds like spoons (i forget) as hi hat in "jealousy".

5. the use of "is the word" (grease) in "hold tight"

6. making my drums sound like "big beat" (reverb ass break) by looping my drums from 40 feet away (you hear it in beginning)....

7. not to mention totaly reconstructing d's lazy ad-libs into sounding like a full fledge song. (d sang as he played but it wasn't official. and what he sang wasn't the form of how you hear it now.

8. the pattented voice as muffled instrument in "what's it all about" "don't....stop!" love it.

9. forth and back may sound like regular fodder, but somehow jay turned 2 songs into a whole new song. and making kurupt's vocal fit the song.

10. gaps in "untitled"

11. chopping "space" by steve miller to smithereens. turning it into something new.

12. reversing the rhythm on "get this money" from how herbie hooked it up. using filter for words as melody again

13. nothing new about sampling ill shit, so "raise it up" isn't a revelation. but **** IT when's the last time and 808 snare sounded that dope behind news cast music?

14. player. is "clair" song by jazz quartet unlimited voices

15. duct taped cymbal on "cb4". gave me idea to do the same on "chicken grease".

16. taking pete rock's track and redoing it, and taking average words "hey!" "world" and stretching them out (and "surprise! filtering) so that explodes like a fourth of july shower (heeeey)

17. 2u4u lyrical innovation (reapetiton/call and response)

18. jacking my drums from "she's always in my hair" (how did he find an open spot?) and then jacking d's "jonze in my bonze" (??!?!) for the music in 1/2 second spurts

19. "go ladies" forget song but jay butchered it lovely

20. don't know 20

I'd appreciate anyones help in enlightening me about this.. As I Love Dillas sound.

M

In the "behind the beat" book he also has a Korg ESX1 along side his mpc3000. This could be one of the sources of his filtering and manipulation of samples. He probably does all the sample editing in the ESX1 then dumps them back into the MPC3000. This could be one possiblity.

The other possiblities is that I have also read some where that he was
using the MPC4000, which has way more filter options than the MPC3000. I also read some where that he was using garageband?

I really believe that alot of his sample manipulation is with the ESX1 and he arranged it all in the MPC3000.

Hey, Thanks for the answer so far...
Would you happen to know what kind of filters he used, and how it morphed/changed the sound of his samples? I just want to have a case study on the way he filtered his sounds. But i dont have alot of the original samples so i cant really tell what he did to get the final product.

Check your PM

dont sleep on the mp's filtering, a low pass filter on a simple bass drum along with attack and decay will give it a diff feel, even pitchin em too

i heard he used to rock the mfc 42 (akai filter). To make the filtered bass lines an shyt, check like water for chocolate (amongst other things) for reference.

I mean you can't really go by what you heard he uses and stuff!

Whats stopping jay dee from going out and buying/renting a piece of gear if he wants to use it?

Thats what I tell people when they ask about dre.....Dre has enough dough to own at least 1 of every keyboard....

LOL@"Jay-Dee is THE #1 reason why I spend an extra THIRTY MINUTES on drum selection after the sample is done."

9TH said this?? What a lying b*tch. That n*gga uses the same drums on virtually every track he does.

F*ck outta here with that sh*t!!!

BassLINE wrote:LOL@"Jay-Dee is THE #1 reason why I spend an extra THIRTY MINUTES on drum selection after the sample is done."

9TH said this?? What a lying b*tch. That n*gga uses the same drums on virtually every track he does.

F*ck outta here with that sh*t!!!

You know what I'm sayin' JimBo?

Y'all can check this new ish 9th did with Murs that some cat posted in the Off-Topic section:

http://rapidshare.de/files/13451111/mur ... r.zip.html

Tell me where you hear any of this "Thirty Minute Drum Selection" goin on!!! Same drums on every other track. Wack.

yeah man. especially since he uses fruity loops (not saying its wack).

I have nothing against Fruity Loops. It's a great program capable of many dope things.

Hey...it even comes with a bunch of DIFFERENT drum sounds built in. Maybe he should try some.

But let me stop as people would argue that "all you do is rag on 9th because he uses the same drums...how about the way he flips samples, he's making moves, people are feeling his beats, he's bringing back 'the real', you're a hater, you're a loser, you're jealous, etc".

Blah blah blah, yeah, okay...

everyone has the right to state their opinion

BassLINE wrote:LOL@"Jay-Dee is THE #1 reason why I spend an extra THIRTY MINUTES on drum selection after the sample is done."

9TH said this?? What a lying b*tch. That n*gga uses the same drums on virtually every track he does.

F*ck outta here with that sh*t!!!

co sign a million percent

but lets not change the focus of the thread

yeah...dilla has been seen using the korg electribe (ima fk wit dat pretty soon)

i like most of what ive heard from 9th... you guys do got a point bout his drums always being the same though... that quote does sound pretty funny comin from 9th...