The real way to quantize and shift

damn all these words typed.... you coulda made a drum pattern by now.

prochic wrote:TREY SONGZ -SAY AHH--I feel like these drums shift later
KERI HILSON----KNOCK YA DOWN

Question--do any of you feel like drums shift earlier?

Prochic

Say Ahh sounds like it has some swing. Knock you down sounds double timed for sure. But do they sound shifted earlier? Not to me. I think it's easier to pick up when a snare is shifted earlier than when a kick is.

I remember when I first heard Pharoahe Monch's Queens, which has fairly simple drum programming and to this day they're probabably my favorite drums, anyway I remember trying to duplicate the feel on Reason and never could get it to sound right and it wasn't until I got my XL did I understand it's pretty much the feel of the machine and triplet programming. Sound selection has a lot to do with it as well. One of those little mind tricks.

prochic wrote:Hey Thanks mp3 for the insight.. I just have a couple of questions.

I have JJOS2XL--HOWor where can i quantize 25%. mines starts at 50?

I was talking about the STRENGTH parameter. Look here: http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2xl/strength.htm

Basically the higher STRENGTH is, the more rigidly the quantize will work, if you lower it, then the pattern will sound less quantized.

prochic wrote:Also lets say I need to do a beat like a 'LIVE YOU LIFE T.I.' how can i do a beayt withoutr quantize-- i mean would that kind be accomplished without it.?

do yall think the drums kik snare arent quant but the hats are so that they roll right?
Also what do yall think of J.R. ROTEM DRUM PROGRAMMING ?

Just wanted to know.

Pro

Generally speaking, you have to practice and be good at finger-drumming. If you are not relying on the machine to correct your timing, then you are relying on yourself to have good timing (which good could mean very loose but soulful like early RZA, or pinpoint accurate or whatever you determine to be good). If you can't hammer out a pattern with good timing then you need to practice.

Here's a tip: start with the basic hits in place (boomp . clack ... clack . boomp . clack ... clack) and quantize those. Turn overdub off, turn quantize off, turn the metronome off, press play and fill in the gaps. When you're comfortable playing it in real time, turn overdub on and record it (try to keep hitting the pads as you are turning overdub on, if you don't you may lose your rhythm). Use the erase button to get rid of any hits that don't fit. After you get it down right, rinse and repeat.

Sorry I cannot seem to quote but to the last guy, Thanks... the BOOM. CLAP....CLAP.BOOM. CLAP...CLAP RYTHYM has helped alot-- for some reason it works better than boom clap boom clap. I actually wonder why when I was onl y leavin out the second boom between the first and second claps

Weird how rythym works.....

Thanks to all of you who contributed to this post. Anyone else use an inital rythym to get things going..Those help out alotttttt alot.

Peace
PROchic

happyhour wrote:

prochic wrote:TREY SONGZ -SAY AHH--I feel like these drums shift later
KERI HILSON----KNOCK YA DOWN

Question--do any of you feel like drums shift earlier?

Prochic

Say Ahh sounds like it has some swing. Knock you down sounds double timed for sure. But do they sound shifted earlier? Not to me. I think it's easier to pick up when a snare is shifted earlier than when a kick is.

I remember when I first heard Pharoahe Monch's Queens, which has fairly simple drum programming and to this day they're probabably my favorite drums, anyway I remember trying to duplicate the feel on Reason and never could get it to sound right and it wasn't until I got my XL did I understand it's pretty much the feel of the machine and triplet programming. Sound selection has a lot to do with it as well. One of those little mind tricks.

one question---what does double time mean is that the same as programming at double speed???????????

unless you only make ONE specific genre of music with the same exact sound, using a cookie cutter technique to make beats will not work. Even if you make "Hip-Hop" music, there are so many different styles under this category. Now, if your like a Dj Premier where just about every beat sounds the same, then your safe.
Treat your beats like a child..you can't raise them all the same. One child may need his/her azz beat, the other may read books all day. Your approach to music should be the same. Not to say your procedure for inspiration needs to change, but how you make a track should definitely have an individual approach.

prochic wrote:



one question---what does double time mean is that the same as programming at double speed???????????

Basically. Listen to that Keri Wilson joint. The BPM is under 80, not that fast obviously. But the hi hats are double time so it gives it a different kind of feel. Just experiment, overanalyzing swing and trying to come up with some magic formula that works every time is futile.

prochic wrote:
one question---what does double time mean is that the same as programming at double speed???????????

yeah if bpm is 80 you set it to 160 and program as if it's 80.