Filters: LO/HI and balance

Just trying to approach this in the most effective way.

So generally I like to split and isolate my samples (excluding drums) into LO pass & HI pass versions, but I have trouble finding the right balance between the two. Pre DAW, my LO pass is usually set around 20 (linked) with a fair amount of resonance, and my HI pass version can be anything to taste really.

Without compression (so far), and based on your set of monitors, what sort of freq range should I be aiming for with the LO pass? Or is it suitable to instead aim for a mid-range filter? This was the 90's Hip-Hop sound, and this is what I'm trying to achieve.

Any advice or methods that you guys use would be appreciated.
By the way this is all in the MPC, not a DAW.

Every note has a frequency, Every filter has a frequency. So you see it seems simple untill you apply it to music. For instance take a bass line, if has all manner of frequencies in it and setting a high pass or low pass filter frequency can increase or decrease parts of the frequency range. This ATTENUATION is alot to do with that 90s hip hop sound. That and a Pultec EQ going through a DBX160 compressor, thanks to mr Powers. Anyway with a filter you attenuate so different things have different frequencies, and so you have to choose what is appropriate frequency depending on what you want. Do it multiple times or use two filters or resample as well.
Using a filter around 20 is not great. You would need very good subs to hear the attenuation properly and well mostly on the impact of kick drums happens that low. Again depends on what ya trying to bring out or flatten in the sample.

bliprock wrote:Using a filter around 20 is not great.

I'm not setting my LO pass to 20hz, in the example I posted before I had the MPC low pass freq around 20. I'm quietly confident that 20 on the MPC's Freq parameter does not represent 20hz, in fact it sounds more like 80-100hz.

I will elaborate on my original question; what low pass filter setting should I be leaning towards to emulate that classic hip hop sound? With the same sample, what hi pass filter setting should I be leaning towards to blend under the duplicate LO pass sample?

Case in point (off the top of my head): Krs One - Higher Level

astral_Signal wrote:

bliprock wrote:Using a filter around 20 is not great.

I'm not setting my LO pass to 20hz, in the example I posted before I had the MPC low pass freq around 20. I'm quietly confident that 20 on the MPC's Freq parameter does not represent 20hz, in fact it sounds more like 80-100hz.

I will elaborate on my original question; what low pass filter setting should I be leaning towards to emulate that classic hip hop sound? With the same sample, what hi pass filter setting should I be leaning towards to blend under the duplicate LO pass sample?

Case in point (off the top of my head): Krs One - Higher Level

sorry thought you meant 20Hz yeah. Well thats what you gotta figure out for your self. Self oscillating filter also can fatten up lower or higher frequencies as well, so turn up the resonance on that high pass filter and do it low frequency for extra boom, probably then refiltered again, then EQ and compressor for punch and fatness, Been a while since i listened to any KRS-1.

what i dont like about high resonances is that they are 'specific', they boost some notes more than others

maybe youd like to take that into account if you havent

AntonPD wrote:what i dont like about high resonances is that they are 'specific', they boost some notes more than others

maybe youd like to take that into account if you havent

yes this has to do with the filter type, slope ect, and it attenuates a frequency range, but you can use more than one filter to attenuate again, or in fact change filter over time.

AntonPD wrote:what i dont like about high resonances is that they are 'specific', they boost some notes more than others

maybe youd like to take that into account if you havent

Yes, I wouldn't recommed that technique for basslines but its really nice on kickdrums. HiPass at 50Hz with an good amount of resonance. Booom

peace