Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By cluster Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:09 am
I have alot of older tracks, recorded on cassette and some converted to wave (older cds and such)..

My question is, is the track not sellable do to its status as being untracked?.. (basically if mastered or edited, all the sounds are on one track(left and right, some may be mono), thus the ability to seperate and master individual sounds are not available)...

I know they are not useless (to me at least) but what about selling tracks such as these.. Today if I have music for sale, I have every sound tracked out (seperate wav files)... Wish I knew better when I first recorded...

If anything, I usually have solo parts in these instrumentals, and can sample my own work... Any thoughts?

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By Something Like That Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:15 am
I was just thinkin about this the other day. A couple folks have been asking me for stuff and some of it I tracked, some of it I didn't. I never had the intention of selling anything but I got the same question as you.

By jonespnice Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:53 am
It depends who you're selling them to, in my experience it's 50\50 some cats want to be able to bring sounds in and out but if you did a good job freakin it yourself then I think most people won't mind too much that it isn't tracked out.

By dennison Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:46 am
In some madlib article he talks about purposely giving artists a complete beat with no seperated tracks so they wouldn't mess them up. If somebody likes the beat enough then they can take it as is.
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By Lampdog Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:13 am
dennison wrote:If somebody likes the beat enough then they can take it as is.


I was thinking the same thing.

By grimaybeats555 Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:59 am
dennison wrote:In some madlib article he talks about purposely giving artists a complete beat with no seperated tracks so they wouldn't mess them up. If somebody likes the beat enough then they can take it as is.


The article is from the scratch issue with the eminem cover.
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By Smoove03 Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:16 pm
Something Like That wrote:I was just thinkin about this the other day. A couple folks have been asking me for stuff and some of it I tracked, some of it I didn't. I never had the intention of selling anything but I got the same question as you.


real good question. im having the same problems...

cluster, how do you go about tracking your music out now? what hardware/software do you use?

By lo-fi Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:13 pm
I read that Madlib article too, and I know there's other cats who do it that way. If the beat's hot, it's hot and you can rhyme to it. It's that simple.

I used to track everything in Logic but it's just such a pain, and it takes the fun out of it. Sometimes you start tweaking shit and it just loses it's vibe.

Nowadays I record everything through the desk straight to stereo. If it's hot, it's a keeper, if not I do it again. Sometimes I do up to 4 or 5 different takes, on different days with FX flipped differently and stuff.

HOT TIP: after recording the track, keep the stereo recorder rolling and solo different channels, either on the desk or on the MPC. Don't change levels, pan or anything else. Make sure you have the full 4 or 8 bar loop for every channel. That way, if years later an MC says "I want to use the track, but halfway through I need 8 bars of just the beat and the bass", you can set that up in no time at all in any DAW. Plus if anyone wants to do a remix, you can just burn that one file to CD and they can do whatever.

(btw; soloing on the desk is usually better than soloing on the MPC because you want to mute any hiss from other channels. But on most desks the solo function only affects the monitor out, not the main out, so you'll have to manually mute all other channels in stead of just pressing one solo button.... )
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By cluster Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:49 pm
lo-fi wrote:I read that Madlib article too, and I know there's other cats who do it that way. If the beat's hot, it's hot and you can rhyme to it. It's that simple.

I used to track everything in Logic but it's just such a pain, and it takes the fun out of it. Sometimes you start tweaking **** and it just loses it's vibe.

Nowadays I record everything through the desk straight to stereo. If it's hot, it's a keeper, if not I do it again. Sometimes I do up to 4 or 5 different takes, on different days with FX flipped differently and stuff.

HOT TIP: after recording the track, keep the stereo recorder rolling and solo different channels, either on the desk or on the MPC. Don't change levels, pan or anything else. Make sure you have the full 4 or 8 bar loop for every channel. That way, if years later an MC says "I want to use the track, but halfway through I need 8 bars of just the beat and the bass", you can set that up in no time at all in any DAW. Plus if anyone wants to do a remix, you can just burn that one file to CD and they can do whatever.

(btw; soloing on the desk is usually better than soloing on the MPC because you want to mute any hiss from other channels. But on most desks the solo function only affects the monitor out, not the main out, so you'll have to manually mute all other channels in stead of just pressing one solo button.... )


true

In terms of tracking, myself I use a bunch of different tactics.. Since I don't own protools or cubase or anything. Let's just say I use alot of soundforge while recording. Along with somtimes acid pro4. I've even used reason to track out beats, it works, just a ****, and theres alot of memory, esp
if all the tracks are in wave (8+ 4min waves at a high rate is alot)... If I get the chance I try to hit up a friend's digital 8track... Also use a four track sometimes, but ahhhh...

Right now I am using a fantom X, I record the time in clicks(to get every thing on time)... Seperate the tracks, and record into the computer, then just mess around... Whether it be just using the waves in reason (to track out, all I do is use redrum, and play the wave and each different redrum has a different track.. But I also always feel like reason sucks life out of music (its prolly my soundcard).. Can do it on acid pro as well...

I personally just like recording to tape, and calling it a day... So I guess heads do it, but last beat I made I tracked it out, seemed more professional to me (also a ****, and took more time to do, for the same amount as just sending a beat)... If anything the song will take on a new angle when remixed by the performer and mastered... Then I get the rights back in a year (did a year lease deal (got paid with loot and drum sample dvds)... If it takes off, then I get to get more $$$... I tracked it out for the group, because I felt I would never be able to obtain the best sound with the equipment I was using, and since they have the means, and such, they will push it to its full potential... Plus they asked for a tracked out beat..

Then again, I am also the type of person, who likes to make music, and never save anything, sometimes just to tape (no hardware saves)... I've done this thousands of times, and its dumb as hell.... don't do that...
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By theStudent Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:28 pm
'tracking out' beats...

is this basically recording every track of a composition onto it's own channel on a DAW?

This has been my biggest issue since I began- if I get the 8 outs and an interface (any recommendations?) connected to a DAW with 8 tracks simultaneous recording, can I record a different track on the MP to it's own track on the computer without making a seperate pass for the hi-hat, snare, kick, etc.? This would help me a LOT.

I like the Madlib approach, but methinks I'm too much of a perfectionist.
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By BRAVO Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:38 am
Jus cos he aint send out tracked/seperated CD masters of his tunes dont mean he aint had them mixed.

If you get a good mix and bounce to stereo then it can be used if it meets sum1s taste etc

(Think instrumentals) Jus means what u see is what u get. No more tweaking etc.

Tracking helps ur ability to fine tune each track before they get bounced down - I seen plenty of stereo tracks get used/
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By cluster Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:18 am
BRAVO wrote:Jus cos he aint send out tracked/seperated CD masters of his tunes dont mean he aint had them mixed.

If you get a good mix and bounce to stereo then it can be used if it meets sum1s taste etc

(Think instrumentals) Jus means what u see is what u get. No more tweaking etc.

Tracking helps ur ability to fine tune each track before they get bounced down - I seen plenty of stereo tracks get used/


Thanks, good to know tracking ain't a must...
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By Krux Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:27 am
Cluster, what are you recording on at the minute?

By lo-fi Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:59 pm
BRAVO wrote:Jus cos he aint send out tracked/seperated CD masters of his tunes dont mean he aint had them mixed.


True dat; he could have sh*t tracked to 64 channels of Protools and mixed the stuff on a big-a$$ SSL desk, and THEN send it out to cats on a stereo CD.

But something tells me that's not Madlib's way. His stuff sounds like something you do the quick and dirty way. I know for a fact (well, I asked Egon) that he really did do tracks in a hotel room with the 303 and a portable turntable, and those ended up on Dudley Perkins' album and I think some Lootpack stuff. So yeah, he might track some stuff occasionally, but he's not the kind of guy to meticulously track every kick, snare and hihat seperately.