Chord Progression and Circle of 5ths?

I have to say that all is not what it seems or appears to be. That's why I talked about Mr Quincy Jones' story. There are other things at stake and at play particularly when as you say, "in the record business everything is based on sales," record sales or business are the bottom line. And if that is the case, then it really doesn't matter if the artist/producer have theoretical knowledge. Of course, it may mean something to the artist or producer, but the A&R and other executives couldn't care less. It doesn't address the bottom line.

I agree with folks about the acquisition of more knowledge. The more all of us know, the greater our chances to expand, grow and try new things. And we all know that there are many ways of achieving that. Some of my favorite musicians are from Chicago's Association for the Advancement of Creative Musicians (AACM). Many of these folks created their own forms of musical notation. The most notable is Anthony Braxton.

So, although I agree with you, I just disagree with your illustrations and examples. The basketball metaphor was a bad one. Street Ball saved the NBA in the late 1970s. I vividly saw it with my own eyes. Think of Nate Archibald, Earl Monroe, Julius Erving.... The culture of the NBA was totally changed. In the end, David Stern and friends realized that it was all about entertainment.

I guess in the end, it's very difficult to talk about commerce and art in the same breath without accepting that they can often be at odds with each other. The exception becomes an essential aspect of the conversation.

Peace.

i am a fan of nate archibald, earl monroe and julius erving. i was brought up on long lsland and dr. j played for the nets. i see you are from philly and if you only seen dr. j in a philly uniform you have not seen the dr. j i know (no disrepect). earl monroe, what number did he wear when he first came to ny knicks? (33). i am a fan of the game. i do not consider nate, earl and julius as streetball players, they are intervators of the game. yes, they have gone to ruckers park and turn the joint out but they also went to the garden and spectrum and turn those areas out also. a nba player can to both. that is my point.

I had to watch Julius on a scrambled and snowy UHF station on a bad tv in my friend's room when he played for VA. I saw the Nets on that same screen. Yeah. It was a priviledge to be in Philly during the mid 70s, not only to see Julius, but to witness the hysteria of the basketball circus called, "The Best Team Money Can Buy." No doubt. It was wild airynight and they invented so much modern basketball culture it ain't funny. (Both for the good and bad)

I understand better what you are saying. My experiences and beliefs are just different. I understand being "professional" to mean "being paid for what one does." Nothing more. Nothing less. But I also do understand that there is much mythology attached to such as well. I also understand, have witnessed and even experienced that the best does not always come out on top.

This reminds me of the kinds of conversations I would have with one of my mentors, Jimmy Stewart: Philly Jazz saxophonist, music critic/historian and activist. Brilliant dude. He taught me a lot and changed my thinking about quite a few things. That definitely helped my art. He died some 10 years ago. I really miss him.

Peace to you.

homershine, we are on the same page here. whether it is your way or mine there is allot work involved to became a musician/producer. it is just not buy a sh*t load of equiment and you are a producer. what we are talking about is the ole school "paying your dues". to be successful in this business you must "pay your dues". burn the midnite oil.

we use to call the philly squad from the 70's the "bomb squad" and no one could fill the lane like who?

bobby jones

[quote="mwalker"]homershine, we are on the same page here. whether it is your way or mine there is allot work involved to became a musician/producer. it is just not buy a sh*t load of equiment and you are a producer. what we are talking about is the ole school "paying your dues". to be successful in this business you must "pay your dues". burn the midnite oil.

Yeah. You are right completely there. And it ain't just music, but even in basic survival. Don't nothing good come easy. I do get tired of reading posts from kids who have some nice change, but aren't really sure yet if they wanna do the work equal to their supposed desires.

Paying dues....Wow! I ain't heard that in a long time. That's an interesting term. Right now, I'm working on an article for my newsletter on "the Art of Hating." My view is that hating is a social invention designed to challenge any kind of critique or analysis, creative, consumer or otherwise.

Peace.