pre or post production mpc or multitracking

just wanna know how you- if you peeps do all your song construction in the mpc or editing in multitrack. for eg layerig drum hits samples , bar construction song construction, scratches, and special effects like stutters, reverse waves, tuntable scratching

or just record everything normally track by track then do all your specials in the editing section of the multitrack

thanx

both.

so what do you do in pre and what do you do in post for eg, just wanna hear your styles really, cause
1) i realllt dont like multi tracking, i like to run everting through the desk and have the shism right there live and hot, with the mc( when there is one) already mixed, i know tracking you can really spice up things so to speak, but it slows my creative thought, some times

2) i carry my mpc to other studios and have them track out, and one engineer told me tht i dont have to do all that "fancy stuff" on a primitive piece of gear, plus he goes on to say " i can do the same and better with pro tools editing, yur wasting your time trying to put a mini on a race track. it is better you leave stuff like tht to us engineers and bring your tracks all looping no song arrangement or stutters particularlyand he will cut, splice and create verses, chorus brige and bar variation.
ALL I EVER GET IS SOME NEGATIVE TALK BOUT WHAT THE F*** I WANNA DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok ok ok he may be right in some instances, but he just carried on and on and on and on like the f**ing energizer bunny who hasnt got laid in years. jerk off

the one thing he pointed out to me was tht if some one like tht track, and wanna spit on it, it may not be to thier style, fair play. what do yall think of tht

but i just aint got the money what so ever to sit down with the engineer to go through every bar change and special effect i want in there,

tell me your views
bless

find a new engineer man, is he a head, does he even like hip hop? cause he sounds like an ass....lol...anyway!

ill usually do basic song structure and changes on the mpc, and just track out about 5 tracks, drums snares, hi hats, loop/samples, lead, and bass.

but i find doing to much stuff on proTools will steal the energy out your track. i try to handle as much business as possible outside of the computer.

Overall, I agree with the engineer, this is how I work now. I don't agree with his **** "my way is better than your way" attitude though. As far as an mc not feelin' the way a track is layed out, I almost never give an mc a finished track cuz I won't know where I wanna take the track until I see where the mc is goin' with it, if he ain't feelin what I did with when all is said and done I might try to accomadate him but only after I explain why I'm the producer and he's the mc.

well theres a few things that you have to take into consideration. i rhyme too so when im makin a structure, i do what i want. its best to holla at the mc or like someone stated above, dont give a finished track.

the engineer wants to cash in on the hours.
the mpc can do everything as far as editing is concerned. it takes a little longer but i feel doing that makes you learn your music better.

the only thing i let the engineer do is eq and mix. even if i was decent, i trust an engineers ear over mine but if he mixes something that you dont like, you can say, well i pictured that to be a little brighter in the mix or fall back in the mix and then he can do that with you and make it work as best as he can with you. best believe im gonna finish my track before i bring it to be mixed by the engineer.

i want credits to read mixed by so and so, not co produced by so and so.

your engineer sounds like he
a) doesnt own an mpc
or b) doesnt know the capabilites of his.

hey co, and dov thanx for your views, i see where yall coming from,
i believe in division of labour
one man cant do everything( so to speak), thts why you got producers, ex producers, tracking engineers, mixing engineers, mastering engineers, although some of them do over lap at times.
for me when i make a beat, and i got all the energy in the track, if i were to track it out seperately and mix them, i start to go hmmmmm
does tht kik sound right, ooh sh... tht scratch sample is to long, nah that bass aint kicking ya in de face enuff. then before you know, i totally mutilated the track. and i waste all tht time trying to fixing something tht aint broke, so let some else do it, so some one else can carry on with thier career, everone got to eat a food. plus also, by the 20th time i hear the track, i dont want to hear it for another week, so i slow in progress and lose the vibe as dov said.
i got to find a way of working effectively. or else i will always be where i am.
and homey dont want to play tht.!!!!!!

You make a good point about everyones duties overlaping, this is where the producer is supposed to produce. The engineer, while he is free to voice his opinions on the matter, is there to do what the producer wants him to do. The engineer is there to help the producers vision become reality so if you take your tracks to a studio and the engineer is a professional you shouldn't run into too many problems, the key is to go in there with confidence. Remind him that while you may not know all the technical mumbo jumbo, if you did he'd be out of a job. It's your job as the producer to guide every step of the process, "okay, on this part I want the strings to come in real strong and then fall back after two bars". If you've already done this before tracking then you've made the engineers job easier and saved yourself some chips by getting through the session quicker. In my experience engineers come in two flavors, tech heads who love all the technical aspects of the job and cats that wanted to be producers but don't have the talent to produce, sure they can make your beats sound better but they couldn't make a beat to save their lives.

yo sense , he aint got no mpc. and he is running p tools tdm, i only met him through a friend, this is the first time i am working with him. and he be like wanting to diss the mpc, not only him but quite a few i met, and they aint giving crtique to build you, they just wana try and put a man down. this sh8 really *^$*&%%^ with me man. basically i see where youall coming from. i seeing the disco light now, all valid points. also sense i bellieve the same as you, mix and eq he should do, thts why i go to him, i have the facilties to do tht shizm at home. but "studios" should have "better facilties to do tht" also one other thing instead of walking with the shaolin scribes, is it better to track out at home with no eq, still composed on the mpc,( effects stuuters and breaks etc) and save them as wave files on a re write, so which ever engineer could just load them in and work from there???

right on. right on co,
you hit the jack hammer on the nail. confidence, thts it, i really dont push tht enough in the studio, i will change my view on tht,


respect bro

**** him man, people always try and say that shit. I wouldn't go back. MPC's are not for everyone, and neither is Pro Tools (it sounds like shit, their wack ass converters and algorhythms are thin and pale, Unless they are running it through an SSL or a Neve.)

The whole looping sections argument is the product of the MC as Diva disease that is rampant now. **** the MC. If he can't write a rhyme to fit 8, 12, or 16bars, then **** him. If he likes the beat he will adapt the rhyme or write another one. Or you can always edit the multitrack recording. This guy is just an asswhole who must convince others that his way is the best way. Not everyone works the same way. If he can't accept that and must further the ProTools domination despite the facts, **** him, find another way to do what you need. You don't pay him for abuse.

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Music and sound seems to be an industry jam packed full of egos. This is something I've noticed over the years, and it's those without the ego's that are willing to help and not condescend. Find a new engineer dude

The engineer's job is to record, mix, and mix down to a quality two track master. There's no need for him to interfere with the producer's vision. If he's making opinions for the sake of maintaining the SONIC quality of the track without sacrificing the integrity of the artistic value of the song the producer and mc are presenting, then that's good but his personal opinions of "this is dope, that's wack, the mpc is wack" have no place in the studio.

elmacaco wrote:**** him man, people always try and say that ****. I wouldn't go back. MPC's are not for everyone, and neither is Pro Tools (it sounds like ****, their wack **** converters and algorhythms are thin and pale, Unless they are running it through an SSL or a Neve.)

The whole looping sections argument is the product of the MC as Diva disease that is rampant now. **** the MC. If he can't write a rhyme to fit 8, 12, or 16bars, then **** him. If he likes the beat he will adapt the rhyme or write another one. Or you can always edit the multitrack recording. This guy is just an asswhole who must convince others that his way is the best way. Not everyone works the same way. If he can't accept that and must further the ProTools domination despite the facts, **** him, find another way to do what you need. You don't pay him for abuse.

exactly man, mcs think they are divas. i mean for cryin out loud-every **** hiphop song ive listen to follows the same damn format. if they cant write to it, then they suck, not the arrangement of the beat. Not to have an ego of our own, but it is all about confidence, because youve created the spark, the beat is your vision-dont let someone else take it away.

Think about it. Think of all the mcs who do mix tapes with jay z beats, or dre beats. Do you think they freakin call up dr dre and are like "man, can you extand that verse, or drop that instrument out hear?" hell no, they write thier shit to what they got.

it pisses me off. youd be suprised at how pushy they get, and even worse shit dont get done because they think they know it all. In my particular cases, not to ramble, but ive tried just about every way to work with other artists, being flexible, giving the "not finished work, get back to me" etc etc.-they always come back with lame ideas, impossible ones, or nothing. If your beats are finished in arrangement (with exception to mixing, eq etc) then something can be written to it solid, because this is what it is, and what you have to work with. The idea of uncertainty, makes people lazy, or unproductive.

Youve got to lay down the law "this is how i want my shit to be" not "what do you think?....mama" BECAUSE you know how you want your shit to sound, you are just using the engineer to get there.

there is a reason you are the producer and they are the mc. let the producer produce, mc mc, engineer mix and eq.

Toecutter wrote:The engineer's job is to record, mix, and mix down to a quality two track master. There's no need for him to interfere with the producer's vision. If he's making opinions for the sake of maintaining the SONIC quality of the track without sacrificing the integrity of the artistic value of the song the producer and mc are presenting, then that's good but his personal opinions of "this is dope, that's wack, the mpc is wack" have no place in the studio.

if someone disses an mpc, they are dumb.......or jealous. Becareful of jealousy man. Ive discovered alot of jealous people, who you cant trust for honesty, because they dont want to give you the spot light. And that can **** workflow up. and half the time the jealous ones are your friends. That is how you decide between real friends, and real professionals.

and if they diss the mpc, they are uneducated on it. Ive had friends diss it, because they know nothing of it, and dont realize that 90% of hiphop is done on one in some way or another. ya know.