sampling at 45

I've heard a lot of producers do this to save memory, but what do they do with it once it's in the MP? Slowing it down via tuning is obviously gonna change the tune and stretching it still gives you a bigger file. Am I missing something?

you just tune it down, it doesn't create a bigger file by just tuning.

This technique is mostly for older samplers where the down tuning gave you a pleasantly grittier sound, not sure how other samplers sound with it.

okay, but what if you want it in the same tune as the original?

A friend of mine has an sp1200, he does this all the time. He just samples, plays the record at the normal pitch, and tunes untill it sounds the same.

theStudent wrote:I've heard a lot of producers do this to save memory, but what do they do with it once it's in the MP? Slowing it down via tuning is obviously gonna change the tune and stretching it still gives you a bigger file. Am I missing something?

Yes you are! Speeding it up on the record player is also going to change the tune, so you just detune it back to the original speed/tune on the mpc! I can't remember the exact amount you need to detune it, but it shouldn't be too hard to match it by ear.


And this technique isn't really necessary if you have a new sampler with hundreds of seconds of sampling time.. It is more useful if you have a sampler with like ten or five seconds of sampling time...

Iy does change the soundquality of your sample though. So you might still use this technique to get a different sound to your sample.

Yeah it does change it a little... But it's mostly just changed for worse when I've done it. The needle I'm using is not that good so the sound gets a little distorted!

I like the sound of it. Distortion is my favorite effect. Imma try it today.

I mean distorted as in a bad way

Seriously, I need to get a new cartridge and a new needle..

I used to speed up samples off of my turntable into my Casio SK5 keyboard. Since the sample time was 1.4 seconds, I could stretch it out to 2 seconds for a solid loop and play it up and down the keyboard.

Silly me.. I got it- thanks, y'all.

ive done this with drum loops, make a 90 bpm drum loop....spead it up to 105. sample your own drum loop....then just tune it down...you get lofi drums, or gritty.......but keep in mind, you have to play with bpms to get the sound you want, and also the right sounding drums.........if you detune a dark ass bass drum, itll just get darker, andn sometimes this ruins it.....so pick your drums wisely.


btw. experiment too, like make a loop, tune the hihats higher, add some delay(or reverb) to the hhat, then turn off the kick. Then speed it up, sample just the hihat and snare at a higher bpm, detune, then put a kick back in.

Yeah. This is an ole skool technique. We used to sample at 45 or a little slower and tune down as much as possible in the sampler. It was great for loops. We also started to do it in the computer using Alchemy. You could squeeze an awful lot of info by using that technique. Once I got a MPC3000, I stopped using that method.

It could offer you another texture, paricularly if you use loops.

Peace.

I've been using Drum Machines since the DMX with No Ram (Eprom Chips) and No Midi (CV Gates) I've always recorded from vinyl at 45 to save sample space. Plus, sometimes you get lucky beat treats manipulating the sample at different speeds. I also sample in Mono to get that left / right seperation (Pete Rock Style) . . . ok im old school . . . . . . I am NOT an ANIMALLL ! (Elephant Man Reference)

another technique i do is manually reverse the record while sampling, then i reverse it back to normal in the mpc. real grimey