The real way to sample...

ok so, whats the true and correct way to sample off Vinyl? How do YOU do it?

from turntable through dj mixer into my cpu for editing in soundforge or turntable to dj mixer to mpc.

theres no true or correct way to anything man
do what feels best to u

i run sounds from my turntable 2 my mpc. iam looking to run it thru my mixer though.

i first load up some drums........so i am ready cause you never know when inspiration will hit.

Then i pick a record i find interesting, or at least looks interestsing. Then i will put the needle on the first track. Most of the time i like putting on records i just got from the store because its like opening a christmas present and i cant wait to see what i get.

anyways, then i will listen for like several seconds to the beggining of the track.....if i dont like the intro, i will skip the needle to maybe a few seconds aftger the intro, and keep skipping like that testing out each song.

There are several spots you must hit with the needle. The intro, the last 8-16 bars of a song, and the outro. You also gotta hit the "break areas" you can sort of tell (but not always) where a break is by looking at the record, wherever the song appears to be lighter, there is less intruments playing. Hold the vinyl sideways so the light reflects off it, look for the flat muted areas.......like the matte black areas. Anyways, this isnt always true, and sometimes there are breaks in areas throught the whole song. So.........where do you go from there?

well. if you like a track right away, give it a whole listen....if you like the sounds, its worth listening to find something that is usable.

But your main goal is to look for breaks. Breaks are basically solo instruments, or several instruments with no drums.

You can also find "drum breaks" this is good if you are sampling drums. however sometimes you can find melodies with "light percussioin" where even though there might be drums in it, you can layer your own drums over them and cover them up, or even incorporate it into your beat.

also Look in between vocals, drums, etc. for usable notes.

Basically youll get good at skipping the needle. You can skip through a song and find parts...........its hard to say though, because you just gotta do what feels right to you. General idea though, is skip like every 8th of a song...so hitting the needle atleast 8 times per song (again, there is no rules, this is what i do, and sometimes its diffearnt for each record, song, or whatever mood im in)

You cant sample everything, and you cant skip everything, but you cant listen to everything either. So this is why i always keep my records, and revist........especially if i liked the records particular sound or whatever.

Some samples youll hit and wont be able to do anything with it (because of inspiration reasons). So you either gotta archive it or remember that there was a sample.

Some samples you have to work with right away......its how you hear the sample sometimes. you cant expect to hear a sample the same everytime you hear it. So if you feel something..........GO WITH IT.

eventually youll figure out your own methods, and what you should sample and what you like to sample.

But give records at least two chances. Just cause you dont feel it the first time, doesnt mean it has no GEMS.

you dont have to "ravage' the record either. i mean if you sample everything on the damn record, you might as well just call it a remix. But again, this is an opinion, some dudes are more strick, like you cant use the whole record for one song, cause its too easy......

i personally love the perfect loop. But i always try to find stuff i can chop. Taking things i can manipulate, and turn into something that people cant claim "oh its a sample"

peace

peace.

record your samples so they almost clip.

i also wanted to add too. is Dasoof is right. There is no real set rules. Do whatever you want. Its all about fun, and how you feel.

i like how u broke that down cy. i almost feel like u gave too much away tho. haha i use a real similar method. one thing i do tho is have sampling sessions where i take about 5-6 LP's (or less if theres a bunch of heat) and then do what u said with the listen through. i'll record AND document samples into the pc to be edited later. sometimes u find some heat that needs attention right away but i can usually hold out cause then i'll have like 3 hot samples to work with and i can go with my mood at the time. def record as hot as possible. and #1 tip...NEVER settle! be patient for that banger. dont just accept an ok sample. go get the bigger fish

Well said, Cyrus and Vakseen.....Cyrus, your tirade has just become my personal bible for sampling (especially the examining the records trick).

good advice cyrus and vakseen. i have that simular technique too.

I have a small FM radio rcvr line out into PC line in so I can record and listen to the Orchestra station while I clean my house (I use SF to record). I'll always hear something I like within 5 minutes or less but it's cool cause everything is being recorded in full nice rich stereo.

That's one of my methods.

I do the same sometimes with the regular radio and later on I chop out drums and one hits that sound cool to me (again of course using Auto Region in SF, then using a batch converter to give them a bit of simulated analog tape saturation if needed).

That's another one of my methods. I have and I'm sure we all have many though, can't give away everything now can I.

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I basically do the same thing vaks/cy dropped. I grab 3-4 samples and make 3 variations of each in the wave editor. But yeah i find its beats always come out quicker and easier after getting back from the record store. Because once something catches your ear its on and you get the on top of your head. As far as needle drops go cy nailed it.

yeah, i was thinking i might have said too much, but i figure that if i help other people, it can only make me get better. Teaching can be a way of learning too. And if i know im doing something right, whats wrong with that? ya know.

Thanks Vakseen, and thanks you all. Keep Bangin.

peace.

I also sometimes use the direct x plugin Virtos noise wizard. Realtime filtering while playing a wave through SF. It filters VERY good. I can snag a bass note from anywhere. ie. I can load a song, draw my own filter envelope that I want the filter to follow. That's just one of the uses for it but it's nice.

So basically, I'll filter out a bassline from a song, chop it into one hits and make my own bassline with it.

Here is one of the methods I use.....On the days im off and my wife is at work I will turn my tv on the R&B classic music station and let it play all day....When I here some good classics I will write them down and then go back and digg for them later........Sometimes I even have to download them from off the net if I can't find them anywhere!..................



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