Cleaning The Shit

Anyone With Any Inteligence Got Any Inteligenet Ideas About How To Clean Up Samples Taken From Vinyl?
I Have 1/4'' Phono Adapters To Hook Them Up To My Interface, But I Get Lots Of Noise In My Signal Especially When I Compress/ Normalize Afterwards. I Record Into Bias Peak, Does Anyone Have Any Techniques Other Then Gating (Because I Want To Try And Remove The Nosie From Within The Audio Also) To Help Me Clean It Up.
Btw I Have A Relativly New Turntable (Numark tt1625) With A New Cartridge. (So It Shouldnt Be That Basically)

once noise is on the signal....its on the signal

when sampling....high volume on your source, low volume on the destination

so max the TT or mixer out beofre clipping to the MPC or other interface while keeping the input trim as low as possible while still getting a relatively hot signal.....

jaem wrote:once noise is on the signal....its on the signal

when sampling....high volume on your source, low volume on the destination

so max the TT or mixer out beofre clipping to the MPC or other interface while keeping the input trim as low as possible while still getting a relatively hot signal.....

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eagle...jaem is 100% right....source needs to be Clean as you 'Need' it to be & HOTTT as heck too....this way, you'll eliminate raising the noise floor within the sample if u subsequently Normalise or increase the gain of it thru processing!!!

Like J said...hot signal from Turntable to mixer....hot signal from mixer to Sampler....low Gain(Trim) as possibe on the sampler receiving the actual sample.....

In terms of crackle etc...either clean the record, get a cleaner source..I.E CD or use a little filteration!!!!

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yer i do use filters, and i know what you mean about running the signal hot but how can u do that when you get the signal straight from the turntable? there is no gain paramater on the deck so therefore i have to raise the noise floor but raising my trim levels.
see ma prob?

I'm going to have to disagree with some of the earlier advice. If you're recording digitally in 24 bit it doesn't really matter if you make the signal hot or not. That's an old idea from the tape days and not really applicable to digital. If there's any rubbage in there from your needle or mixer it's going to get amplified as well along with the sample.

Also you never want to normalize. I don't know why (other than the fact that it does sound like ass at times) but this is what the 'experts' have agreed on.

Why ur samples sound like azz? You haven't mentioned what type of converter ur using? Everything else sounds good.

first of all , making sure that u have done the obvious

use thick pro cables
grounded the turntables to the mixer

once this has been done,

you can use SF7 or SF8 vinyl restoration plugin, i use this allot and really clears up the surface noise and crackles i get from samples.

it sounds to me like you are getting noise, because you are plugging your turntable directly into your soundcard.

turntables have a non-standard line level out put. They need special preamps. I n the form of a dj mixer, or a dedicated turntable preamp.


if I am wrong, about the way you have it hooked up, let me know what the deal is.

yes you are right i have it pluged straight in to my interface, i dont have a dj mixer for it, how much difference does that make?
The Converters I Use Are In The Edirol Fa101 Interface, Its Pretty Phat So I Honestly Dont Think Its That....It Records At 24Bit.
Whats The Easiest Way To Earth The Signal.....Cause I Have A Third Cable Coming Out From My Turntable With Like A Metal Fork On The End, I Know Usually That Would Fit Into The Dj Mixer......[/img]

a DJ mixer will help alot, it usually has a ground post on it (for the third wire with the fork on it).
This will clean up your sound alot, then if you need to use a noise reduction program.


Pe@Ce

did you not read all of my post. turntables NEED SPECIAL PRE-AMP. you will not get a proper signal without it.

If you're recording digitally in 24 bit it doesn't really matter if you make the signal hot or not.

Sorry but you're wrong on this one.

Bit depth is the volume component in digital and sample freq is the freq component.

If you are not recording hot you are using less bits, ie less digital info, ie less 1s and 0s

The bits are there why not use them.

There is some truth to what you say however. In the tape days you would want to have a very hot signal in order to reap the benefits of some tape saturation. So, getting the siganl as hot is not necessary in digital.


Dont believe me you say??????

record 2 files one hot one not so hot than in software turn them up to equal volumes. Difference will not be subtle.

jaem wrote:

If you're recording digitally in 24 bit it doesn't really matter if you make the signal hot or not.

Dont believe me you say??????

record 2 files one hot one not so hot than in software turn them up to equal volumes. Difference will not be subtle.

Ok, how about do the same thing but now lower the louder sample to the same volume of the other sample. Still hear a difference between the two? (And u can use the master volume to make up any difference.)

Now what if some of your samples clipped on the way into the computer? Hear the difference?

I create every sound by sampling from a record. From the kicks, to the hats, to the snares and bass, etc. And usually the record I'm sampling is used. If you're on the same boat, the chances are the record needs to be cleaned. Sometimes even cleaning the record won't be enough and the sound is way too dirty to keep. Try another record.

Lord Toranaga wrote:did you not read all of my post. turntables NEED SPECIAL PRE-AMP. you will not get a proper signal without it.

not all of em. My ttx1 has its own preamp, but i think its probably the only one.

Nah, much of the Stanton STR8 series has a line level out too.

The TTX-1 is the best out IMO.