swing and triplets

i feel like these are a main factor with samplers(swing & triplets notes)
does anyone agree with me or does every just make tracks off 16th notes...

I try and switch it up. To my understanding most lay the kicks on 1/8, snares @ 1/16 or higher, hi hiats 1/8, etc etc...

But me personally i try and mix it up here and there, im sure theres a standard as to what usually goes where, but im not too much up on that [as i dont know it]. Try different things man, dats wat music is about...hope this helps...peace

bricks wrote:i feel like these are a main factor with samplers(swing & triplets notes)
does anyone agree with me or does every just make tracks off 16th notes...

mostly 16ths for me, but i do like to move snares forward a bit, and put a bit more of a swing on the hi-hat (sounds too robot like otherwise, though thats not necessarily a bad thing sometimes).

what helped me was to spend time mapping out where the kicks hi-hats and snares of my favorite drum breaks "fell" on to a piece of paper so i could "see" what was making the track work and why two drum beats that were essentially the same (in pattern) had such a different feel.

I've been doing a lot of drum sequencig with the input quantize off lately, I setup the MPC to default to 16 bars w/ quantize off and I just play through the 16 bars and keep the best 2-4 bars, it gives my drums a natural feel.

Velocity changes can also give the perception of swing. Try recording a 16th note hi hat at full velocity and a 16th note hi hat with alternating velocity. A simple way to do this is to hold the REC or OVERDUB button down and hit the pad hard on the first hit and soft on the second hit and so on. The varied velocity will "feel" like it's swinging a little.

Record in 1/16th TRPLTS and dont use note repeat. Watch how the beat moves. This is usually how i record unless I'm going for the offset sound.

cooocooo1 wrote:Velocity changes can also give the perception of swing. Try recording a 16th note hi hat at full velocity and a 16th note hi hat with alternating velocity. A simple way to do this is to hold the REC or OVERDUB button down and hit the pad hard on the first hit and soft on the second hit and so on. The varied velocity will "feel" like it's swinging a little.

Try 16 levels for the velocity thing. It opened up a whole new world for me when I started using it.

Aloto f the HeatMakers beats are in trips....

i mean dont you get more of a offbeat or more swing effect in the beat

This is one thing Im not sure of either... Im trying to nut it out as I usually use live beats and have only just started programming my own...

Triplet time I think is for full on swing loose grooves ie; Jazz

A fully swung straight 16th kinda beat is approaching a triplet groove...

But, then again im not really sure 'cause Im pretty new to this....

The best beat I ever made was in 7/8 time which left a little room at the end of each bar for an accent and seemed to groove nicely....

There maybee some people hidding not willing to part with their knowledge as it seems to me to be the secret to a good production!

I've found triplets are really difficult using a sequencer, but this may help:
now if I'm doing a tune in 3/4 time I put the tsig to 12/16.

then I quantize the kick to 1/16(3)
then i quantize the snare to 1/8(3)

the hats I play in real time

I haven't used the shuffle yet, but I think that's going to help it out a little.

it seems difficult to get a natural feel, but someone mentioned the velosity trick, and that helps too.

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As far as I understand you shouldn't use the Swing\Shuffle on a Triplet Groove because it is a fully swinging groove anyway..!!



Anyone? Comments?

Madness wrote:As far as I understand you shouldn't use the Swing\Shuffle on a Triplet Groove because it is a fully swinging groove anyway..!!



Anyone? Comments?

the 2000xl wont let you swing in triplets anyway, but your right, its basically the same thing.

Madness wrote:As far as I understand you shouldn't use the Swing\Shuffle on a Triplet Groove because it is a fully swinging groove anyway..!!

Thats what i was saying. The beat moves better in 1/32s.

I won't lie, I stopped using timing after I felt that my drum tracks didn't sound the way I played.

So, what exactly does timing/quantization do for me?

What's the best setting for setting your sample, drums, etc if you want it to have a natural feel but also have it correct something if it's a little off.

And, in a sequence, can I using timing on one track and not the rest? Same thing for swing?

Thanks beforehand.

I won't lie, I stopped using timing after I felt that my drum tracks didn't sound the way I played.

So, what exactly does timing/quantization do for me?

What's the best setting for setting your sample, drums, etc if you want it to have a natural feel but also have it correct something if it's a little off.

And, in a sequence, can I using timing on one track and not the rest? Same thing for swing?

Thanks beforehand.

Also, what's the deal with triplets?