Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.

By en2 Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:33 pm
wheres tutor to close shop on this thread cause now its just gettn stupid, me included.

By fobedafied Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:43 pm
sorry man,

but, "timbs, shelltoes, trends, slang, and fashion" arent even in my definition of "hiphop"... im sure we all have different views of what hiphop is and isnt though...

hmmmm... are timberland and adidas black culture? i dont know man, from your posts, it seems like we talkin bout a different hiphop here...
i guess my version of hiphop aint from the right "essence"... :roll: ...
i better go find some cross-streets to rep....

By delnegro Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:43 pm
LOL at this sambo ass ni99a...There's exceptions..What a lame...Y'all remind me of them cracka's in 60's that got mad cause James Brown made "Black and Proud". You can be black and proud and NOT be anit-white.
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By Smoove03 Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:45 pm
there's definately exceptions. your overly proud dogg.

i just think you should open your eyes a bit wider. we're not the only folks on the planet. i love black people. but man i've been taught some amazing shit in the music game by folks other than my color. i got much respect. not saying you dont, but you sound like a complete fool. idiot. dummy. call it what you want.

lol.

"You can be black and proud and NOT be anit-white."

so what you screamin on em about? you mad cause the man white and he's in the same game you are, but your black and think he shouldnt be doing it, so it gets you heated.

thats what i got from your posts
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By cyrus Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:48 pm
delnegro wrote:It's a reach cause I never said sh1t about Em whining or whites not being able to feel hiphop. And I didnt assume anything but at this stage in the game for a hiphop fan to not be able to admit hiphop or more specifically in this case rap is a black artform then you're in Egypt...in Da Nile(denial). You said I shot myself in the foot saying it's a black artform. I'm not assuming your white but I AM assuming you're not black. I guess once I pointed out that Em said he does black music you saw more clearly. But I shot myself in the foot when I said it..LOL. Ya'll some funny muhfukas...seriously!


i do see your point. however, i said "you shot yourself in the foot", Not because i didnt agree with the fact thats its a black artform, but because you came with a chip on your shoulder about the importance of color. You specifically said eminem was a white boy with skills, a gimmick; implying that his only validity was his color.

im not tryin to reperpetuate this debate or start beef;


You have some valid points, but in the end color doesnt have shit to do with it....its music....you have to see past that, otherwise its just double standards and a viscious circle.
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By Smoove03 Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:49 pm
cyrus wrote:You have some valid points, but in the end color doesnt have **** to do with it....its music

By delnegro Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:51 pm
fobedafied wrote:sorry man,

but, "timbs, shelltoes, trends, slang, and fashion" arent even in my definition of "hiphop"... im sure we all have different views of what hiphop is and isnt though...

hmmmm... are timberland and adidas black culture? i dont know man, from your posts, it seems like we talkin bout a different hiphop here...
i guess my version of hiphop aint from the right "essence"... :roll: ...
i better go find some cross-streets to rep....


Tell that to Run and them and the thousands of other people who were at the Garden w/ me raising there shelltoes when they did "my adidas". If you weren't there and didnt live the culture at the time than YOU wouldnt understand. Then who made timberlands, airforce ones(we've been rocking them here in nyc since like '90), tommy, and all the other fashoin trends that have came and gone in hiphop hot?! You gon' tell me fashion, slang, way we speak(I can name a multitude of words that derived from hiphop) and all that aint a part of hiphop?! Yeah Eminem just woke up and decided to don a du-rag oneday!! LOL Then you right we do rep different hiphop.
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By Smoove03 Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:52 pm
"what up smoove, i was editing that **** at the same time you posted! "

yea, i see :)

i was feelin that though

By en2 Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:53 pm
en2 wrote:the realest of the real of the realest of the real.............


good luck when youre like 50 and ur still salty that some ugly ol fat white girl is dancing to a song wearing shelltoes and doesnt know how real they once were!
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By cyrus Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:00 pm
delnegro wrote:
fobedafied wrote:sorry man,

but, "timbs, shelltoes, trends, slang, and fashion" arent even in my definition of "hiphop"... im sure we all have different views of what hiphop is and isnt though...

hmmmm... are timberland and adidas black culture? i dont know man, from your posts, it seems like we talkin bout a different hiphop here...
i guess my version of hiphop aint from the right "essence"... :roll: ...
i better go find some cross-streets to rep....


Tell that to Run and them and the thousands of other people who were at the Garden w/ me raising there shelltoes when they did "my adidas". If you weren't there and didnt live the culture at the time than YOU wouldnt understand. Then who made timberlands, airforce ones(we've been rocking them here in nyc since like '90), tommy, and all the other fashoin trends that have came and gone in hiphop hot?! You gon' tell me fashion, slang, way we speak(I can name a multitude of words that derived from hiphop) and all that aint a part of hiphop?! Yeah Eminem just woke up and decided to don a du-rag oneday!! LOL Then you right we do rep different hiphop.


yeah i see ya, but times are changing man. Jay z and Linkin park? Thats an example of how the genre is progressing; im not saying thats what hiphop is, or to forget about roots, or thats what hiphop will be.

but they are a perfect example. The best rapper, and a part white rock group, doing what they love, making music open mindedly-hiphop

By delnegro Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:04 pm
Smoove03 wrote:there's definately exceptions. your overly proud dogg.

i just think you should open your eyes a bit wider. we're not the only folks on the planet. i love black people. but man i've been taught some amazing **** in the music game by folks other than my color. i got much respect. not saying you dont, but you sound like a complete fool. idiot. dummy. call it what you want.

lol.

"You can be black and proud and NOT be anit-white."

so what you screamin on em about? you mad cause the man white and he's in the same game you are, but your black and think he shouldnt be doing it, so it gets you heated.

thats what i got from your posts


open my eyes a bit wider as far as hiphop being black culture? You sounds stupid Toby. I haven't knocked white people at all. I just stated what's fact. I tell you what go to your hood barber shop on a friday when its sprawling and talk that hiphop is not a black artform sh1t and see how far it goes. See if they're trying to hear that open ya' eyes wider sh1t, aiight?!

By delnegro Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:05 pm
cyrus wrote:
delnegro wrote:
fobedafied wrote:sorry man,

but, "timbs, shelltoes, trends, slang, and fashion" arent even in my definition of "hiphop"... im sure we all have different views of what hiphop is and isnt though...

hmmmm... are timberland and adidas black culture? i dont know man, from your posts, it seems like we talkin bout a different hiphop here...
i guess my version of hiphop aint from the right "essence"... :roll: ...
i better go find some cross-streets to rep....


Tell that to Run and them and the thousands of other people who were at the Garden w/ me raising there shelltoes when they did "my adidas". If you weren't there and didnt live the culture at the time than YOU wouldnt understand. Then who made timberlands, airforce ones(we've been rocking them here in nyc since like '90), tommy, and all the other fashoin trends that have came and gone in hiphop hot?! You gon' tell me fashion, slang, way we speak(I can name a multitude of words that derived from hiphop) and all that aint a part of hiphop?! Yeah Eminem just woke up and decided to don a du-rag oneday!! LOL Then you right we do rep different hiphop.


yeah i see ya, but times are changing man. Jay z and Linkin park? Thats an example of how the genre is progressing; im not saying thats what hiphop is, or to forget about roots, or thats what hiphop will be.

but they are a perfect example. The best rapper, and a part white rock group, doing what they love, making music open mindedly-hiphop


Been done b5 circa '86...Ever hear of "walk this way"?! So what's the progression?!
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By Smoove03 Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:11 pm
del lol you trippin cuz.

aye, you stick to your beliefs hard. i give you that.

aye im thru cause when it means i gotta start tryna proove a point to someone which usually turns into an argument, it goes against the type of brotha i am.

so ill quit there. good luck to you man. with a mind like yours, you wont last long in the game. believe that.
... and i gotta stop here cause now im startin to sound foolish

:)
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By Logic718 Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:19 pm
delnegro wrote:His name is Lee. And just because you know about Rock Steady and yes they were mostly Latino BUT they weren't the only breaking crews in the 5 boroughs!!! There mounds of other crews that dont get mentioned, weren't as up high in beat street and all that. Bootlegging aint come around til like the early nineties hiphop was thriving still. And believe me the people who were down with hiphop b4 it went mainstream would still be down now. I know who was making the majority of sales at this time cause I know the majority of people who listened to the music. Just like it doesnt take a genius to figure out blacks are about 15% of the total population of the U.S. so of course when we were the majority of buyers it would less then now. I said once and I'll say it again..Most of the trends, slang, innovations, fashion, in hiphop were started by blacks. Listen to Mos Def new album when he talks about rock musicians and you'll understand why I'm so adamant about making my point and wont be privy to revisionist history.


Did you just look that up or something? Thanks, I didnt remember. I never said Rock Steady was the only crew. Relax, you taken this way too personal. So basically what your're saying is, you know personally, most of the people who listened to rap music when it wasnt mainstream, and they all told you what they bought. And I guess you also know all the black people in the UK and they told you when they bought that Tougher than Leather album. Or when they bought that Whodini album right. This is preposterous. I lived in Bklyn for the first 25 years of my life and I never gave a memo to you when I begged my Mom for a Fatboys record, or Jam on it by Neucleus.. ANd no it doesnt take a genious to know that there's 15% black people in the US today, you can look it up!!! But so what?!?!? What percentage of that amount bought records back in the day, what percentage buy cds now?!? And when you find that percentage, can rappers back then or today, bank on platinum status based on african american record sales. C'mon man.

"so of course when we were the majority of buyers it would less then now"

What are you talking about?!?! Where are your facts..I do know bootlegging existed then, we didnt here about it because the big record companies didnt make or expect much from hiphop music. Its only until cats started going platinum and serious money got involved is when bootlegging became an issue. Rappers back in the day and still today rely on international sales. Ya know where all the black people are!! :roll: A lot of cats used to tape sh!t off the radio. I too, used to listen to RED, Chuck Chillout, Marley ChillyQ, Pete Rock, actually more Marley Marl cause Red used to play the same damn tape with the same damn music for a month!!

There is no question that the black culture has influenced many. But to say, Hiphop start mainly cause of black people..Bootlegging has always been around where have you been.

I like the dialog man, but damn be constructive..

Peace