By Cheech
Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:33 pm
That's just what I had in mind greg... Also can't forget Jimi, he gave those 4-track recorders a nice a$$-whipping as well!
By digital_bastard
Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:35 pm
But the master of overdubbing has to be Lee "Scratch" Perry.
With that said, a lot of dope stuff is being made as we speak on software only too.
It's only tools, no need to get all emotional about it.
With that said, a lot of dope stuff is being made as we speak on software only too.
It's only tools, no need to get all emotional about it.
By shyda
Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:43 pm
reason 2.5 has some nice shit, I make some of my melodies on there but I mainly use my mpc for everything. I wanna get into cubase so that I can dump individial tracks from mpc to cubase then add some effects there. My mpc is basic without the extra outs and effexcts board so using software effects is my only way of polishing my sounds!!!
mr walker is right though, reason is a toy compare to hardware stuff!!!!!!
mr walker is right though, reason is a toy compare to hardware stuff!!!!!!
By mwalker
Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:56 pm
Cheech,
i agree with you too. the first piece of equiment i got was a roland r-5 drum machine so i know where you are come from. the part about the cables are also true. it took me awhile to understand midi in/out, midi channel and local on/off etc. not to push software but the reason thing is disposable. after you learn what you need to know go out and buy the setup one needs. instead of calling me out of my name i have learned some things this morning and the bottom line is learning. just imagine the setup for john coltrane first recording, so i understand what you are saying. again i own a mpc and i am not saying throw it away but before an individual goes out a buys all the latest sh*t understand the music making process. allot of equiment is overwhelming sometime and when starting out it is better is keep it simple. that is all i am saying. period. stupid me, i thought everyone had a computer but if you do not a drum machine would be a good starting point. see, i am learning. cheech, you make a lot of sense but there are some people on this board who has all this equiment and does not know the power of it. some of thier responces just dont make sense. it seem like they are justifing thier purchases but do not have any skills to use thier equiment to the fullest. so yes, we are talking about the same thing but different approaches. not saying i am right or you are right but the beginners should start at the beginning. do you agree?
i agree with you too. the first piece of equiment i got was a roland r-5 drum machine so i know where you are come from. the part about the cables are also true. it took me awhile to understand midi in/out, midi channel and local on/off etc. not to push software but the reason thing is disposable. after you learn what you need to know go out and buy the setup one needs. instead of calling me out of my name i have learned some things this morning and the bottom line is learning. just imagine the setup for john coltrane first recording, so i understand what you are saying. again i own a mpc and i am not saying throw it away but before an individual goes out a buys all the latest sh*t understand the music making process. allot of equiment is overwhelming sometime and when starting out it is better is keep it simple. that is all i am saying. period. stupid me, i thought everyone had a computer but if you do not a drum machine would be a good starting point. see, i am learning. cheech, you make a lot of sense but there are some people on this board who has all this equiment and does not know the power of it. some of thier responces just dont make sense. it seem like they are justifing thier purchases but do not have any skills to use thier equiment to the fullest. so yes, we are talking about the same thing but different approaches. not saying i am right or you are right but the beginners should start at the beginning. do you agree?
By Cheech
Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:14 pm
Yeah, I'm with you.
The thing with message boards is that you can't see the expressions or their "body language" of the people you are communicating with so it's very easy to misunderstand.. And I get very frustrated at work and sometimes I vent the frustrations here.. which is wrong!
No bad feelings, eh
ps I only got a computer at work, and I'm basically staring at it the whole day, so when I get to home and make music I want to have nothing to do with a computer screen. My eyes are already hurting just thinking about it lol
The thing with message boards is that you can't see the expressions or their "body language" of the people you are communicating with so it's very easy to misunderstand.. And I get very frustrated at work and sometimes I vent the frustrations here.. which is wrong!
No bad feelings, eh
ps I only got a computer at work, and I'm basically staring at it the whole day, so when I get to home and make music I want to have nothing to do with a computer screen. My eyes are already hurting just thinking about it lol
By Blue Haze
Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:29 pm
Noyd wrote:I feel like most producers use software and hours of work in mixing and mastring,every cut perfect and every arrangment tight!AKAI PROFESSIONAL USERS
Then they drop something on CD and the quality is bombing..
I feel like we "mpc" people cant really make everything so super tight with mixing,arragment,mastring like the software people and sometimes i wonder if A&R:s rather listen to "super produced software beats" the a little more grimey mpc beats.Assume the beats are identical accept the mixing and mastring part.
I been thinkin of going software,,i love the Mpc..more the software programs.but if the kvalite gets better on softwares and the kvalite counts when it comes to working with people.im switching.. you do you think???
Kevin Antunes
Kevin Antunes has been making magic as the Musical Director for 'N SYNC. Kevin has also worked as a programmer for Britney Spears, Mary J. Blige, and others.
We visited with Kevin during an 'N SYNC swing through Dallas and he was kind enough to show us the road rack he always has in his hotel room. The Akai MPC2000 and S6000 are integral components of Kevin's never ending creative process
Kevin can currently be seen on tour with Justin Timberlake where he acts as musical dire4ctor for the tour.
Inside the MPC is an software sequencer that you the individual can program thru editing and by your own playing performance. It is first a drum machine that you make crazy patterns with through your own creativity. Second it is a midi controller that you can control other sound modules and equipment. Third it is really the engineer and mixer that influences how your music is going to sound in the mix. I feel that you should record a track at a cheap recording studio during downtime to really see your beats could sound when it is mixed right by a pro. And at the same time you could learn from a Pro on how to improve your mix. It sounds basically like a mixing problem rather than a mpc or software. Check out a great book called Mix Masters Platinum Engineers Reveal Their Secrets for Success by Berklee Press. In it is lists some of the Masters Jimmy Douglass, Dave "Hard Drive" Pensado, or Tony Maserati. Behind every great producer is the unsung engineer/mixer that really makes their music sparkle. But before you go to a studio try to really learn your instrument. A sequencer is a sequencer hardware or software either way.
But if you want to get into software get an Pro Tools Mbox or the like play in your music into each separate track from the MPC and arrange it as you wish with Reason, Live, or other loop sequencer together.
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By mwalker
Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:32 pm
i love computers. i am a day trades (s & p -1.48, dow +6.60 and nas -1.11)
i have not made any trades today because the market is up and down. so, while i am watching the boards i have a software setup where i could make some music. about the "body languan", when i am losing money i could be a real Mutha for you too and vent. i love music (listening/making) and you do not know how many people i know who started making music and brought so much sh*t and became overwhemed and quit. i think that is f'ed up. i hope we (as in you and me) are cool now because i think we are on the same page. i agree to disagree but lets keep civil. ok?
i have not made any trades today because the market is up and down. so, while i am watching the boards i have a software setup where i could make some music. about the "body languan", when i am losing money i could be a real Mutha for you too and vent. i love music (listening/making) and you do not know how many people i know who started making music and brought so much sh*t and became overwhemed and quit. i think that is f'ed up. i hope we (as in you and me) are cool now because i think we are on the same page. i agree to disagree but lets keep civil. ok?
By binger0
Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:32 pm
Mwalker is right about reason. For a first time user it does have a studio in a box. Its a very good program. I am just starting to mess with Reason Adapted. and i think its fly. I am using software and hardware in my production. I think the MPC is the bomb for seq and sampling. I then use recycle for choppin. Then fostex mr-8 to track vocals and sample while the MPC is playing back. A korg Ms2000r synth for sounds and atmosphere. Acid 4.0 for mixing and mastering, and I am gonna to cop soundforge for editing. I am using a free wave editor with mad free plugins. and thats really it. i think a good producer will see what gear they are comforatable with. I like editing and mixing on the computer. I hardware for recording and seqeucnig and sampling. This is just how I get down. I also have the room for a big setup. If you dont have the space for mad outboard gear and big mixing desks and keys and whatnot, or are on the go and dont have a fixed production space you might want to mess with computers.
It just that today as producers we even have software. A lot of cats take that for granted and hate on it, but it is some really good pieces of gear. Computers are everywhere and mad people have them. If you have it you might as well see whats out there and see if that might be better for you or to intergrate both into your work. just dont feel like you have to just use hardware or software. Those limitiaons you put on yourself are just closing doors to being able to make good music.
Mwalker I am in PA now. I am back and forth to jersey every once and a while. If you want to collab on a track send me a couple of beats, i think you said you are a drummer, so i can lay samples or keys on em. Or if you want me to do the drums. I have and never really had any beef with you, i was joining the conversation. if we got into it, so be it. I aint bout beefin with people "online" and think its lame to carry grudges in cyberspace. You seem to know what you are talking about, but I think a lot of people would like to hear what your music sounds like. please signup to soundclick and post a beat. www.soundclick.com
It just that today as producers we even have software. A lot of cats take that for granted and hate on it, but it is some really good pieces of gear. Computers are everywhere and mad people have them. If you have it you might as well see whats out there and see if that might be better for you or to intergrate both into your work. just dont feel like you have to just use hardware or software. Those limitiaons you put on yourself are just closing doors to being able to make good music.
Mwalker I am in PA now. I am back and forth to jersey every once and a while. If you want to collab on a track send me a couple of beats, i think you said you are a drummer, so i can lay samples or keys on em. Or if you want me to do the drums. I have and never really had any beef with you, i was joining the conversation. if we got into it, so be it. I aint bout beefin with people "online" and think its lame to carry grudges in cyberspace. You seem to know what you are talking about, but I think a lot of people would like to hear what your music sounds like. please signup to soundclick and post a beat. www.soundclick.com
By eightsixteen
Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:38 pm
mwalker wrote:after you learn what you need to know go out and buy the setup one needs.
The only way you can find out what you need in your setup is through trial and error. All these cats that come on here and ask "should I get this", "tell me which mixer to buy", etc. are asking a totally retarded question. You need to experiment with everything available to you. Come on, seriously, all the experienced cats: do you still own every piece of hardware/software you ever purchased since day one? Of course not, we all made mistakes in purchases along the way. I don't think a person exists who is using the exact setup they purchased from day one. I myself went through 2 sampler/sequencers before I bought the MPC. I also went through the whole software/laptop craze before I realised the MPC is for me.
By the way, Cheech, lately I've been playing the acoustic guitar more and more. All these buttons get on my nerves after a while. And "Sgt. Pepper" was recorded on 2 four tracks back in 1967. Show me a pop album now that can even come close in creativity. Plus the Beatles were sampling and looping back on "Revolver" in 1966 using German tape machines. They are just tools. The greatest tool is between your ears.
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By mwalker
Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:07 pm
eightsixteen, i think we are talking about two different things. the question for a beginner is not what mixer to get but what is a mixer? what is it function,? how can i use it in my setup,? how many sends and returns does it have? how does the low, mid, high eq knob work? do i need more than stereo outs? how many outs do i need? why? what is a aux send master? what is aux stereo return? do i need solo or mute buttons? these are the question that should be asked first. again my point is learn the music making process first, then get your gear. the key is a good foundation so that you could build on. not that software is better hardware or vice-visa, it is about having a complete understanding of where one is going musically. a cheap way to learn is software. period. one could own a guitar center and still not have a clue. build a foundation first software, hardware, reading, watching, listening whatever understand the basic first. hardware and software are tools but if you do not know the function of the tools what is the use.
By Blue Haze
Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:29 pm
Both are you are right. There is no one way to learn. You learn by doing and you learn from mistakes. Learn about music by listening to music by others, learn your intruments be it desktop or all in one unit. Learn about the art of mixing from books, mags, online and experienced PAs at a club, church, or community center. Finally learn how to record it right. I do remember that thread Some real good tips by juniorcartel revist it and really take that the advice to heart. I know I did 1:D
By Iceberg-Slim
Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:15 pm
We should really squash this, Everything has its purpose, if you don't like it don't use it
Neither are the dominate "future" they are growing togethor
My mobie setup is a MPC 4k, with a Laptop, running PT, with a good amount of VST instruments, Waves diamond + IR, and random plugs I've taken a liken to
Mpc handles sampling + sequencing + programming, PT handles the arrangment and mixing, best setup for ME
I can't help but to agree on Reason being a good starting program, some guys are like my friend, he really doesnt want anything to do with a pc and music, not even learning
He started with a Triton, and since then has added a few sound modules, and learned everything on it, instead of hopping program to program
Your knowledge is more important than what you use
Neither are the dominate "future" they are growing togethor
My mobie setup is a MPC 4k, with a Laptop, running PT, with a good amount of VST instruments, Waves diamond + IR, and random plugs I've taken a liken to
Mpc handles sampling + sequencing + programming, PT handles the arrangment and mixing, best setup for ME
I can't help but to agree on Reason being a good starting program, some guys are like my friend, he really doesnt want anything to do with a pc and music, not even learning
He started with a Triton, and since then has added a few sound modules, and learned everything on it, instead of hopping program to program
Your knowledge is more important than what you use
By Noyd
Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:41 pm
the thing is,,i got an MPC since 2 years back,,i learned reason pretty good to,, I like the MPC more,, but i dont want to send files back and forth on the computer,,,i hate that,i want to have all in one place! im not the kind that works more than 2 hours on one beat. Gotta be effective!
Im not a beginner at this..
im scandinavian so my english isnt that good..i maybe wrote the whole thing confuzing and you missunderstood me,,but the main question is...
The Mpc (alone without software mixing or mastring)
VS Reason/fruity
Only talking about kvalite
Cause everybody tells me to interact the mpc with software and i wont do it,, so that combination is out of the question,,what would you do?
i make a beat on software just as fast as on the MPC
Im not a beginner at this..
im scandinavian so my english isnt that good..i maybe wrote the whole thing confuzing and you missunderstood me,,but the main question is...
The Mpc (alone without software mixing or mastring)
VS Reason/fruity
Only talking about kvalite
Cause everybody tells me to interact the mpc with software and i wont do it,, so that combination is out of the question,,what would you do?
i make a beat on software just as fast as on the MPC