For all the cats who dont dig/advocate buying crap recrods

but i'd bet he has a better record collection than most of the peeps here so i dont think its all to do with what vinyl you own.....

greg

jpeg wrote:Some say that DJ shadows goes thru alot of trouble to make elevator music.

I kinda agree

Classic Quote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOL

dubmunkey wrote:but i'd bet he has a better record collection than most of the peeps here so i dont think its all to do with what vinyl you own.....

greg

so true. If you judge your beats off of your record collection, its like me sayin that i got better beats because i own a TRITON. Well, It may sound better than a cascio(out the box), but youve still got to have skills!!!

I do agree though about understanding music. If all you do is listen to hiphop and try to do what everone else is doing, then your are a fake.

Part of "the art of sampling" is combining differant genres of music, crossing musical rules: i.e. combining classical and funk. That is the pure beauty of sampling. If you dont understand or appreciate music history, then YOU ARE as good as your equipment. what im sayin is that in some way or form if you make hiphop, sampled or not, you need some background in listening to the classics (classical, funk, jazz, rock and roll, etc.)or your just gonna suck.

I have to disagree, he goes through alot of trouble to make ELEVATED MUSIC. Listen to UNKLE "Psyence Fiction". A classic, and knows no boundaries. GUNS BLAZING: DRUMS OF DEATH PT. 1 is something I haven not heard in hip hop BEFORE it came out OR now, years AFTER. Time signatures are adjustable for a reason... rules are guidelines, not set in stone.

To sum it all up. As long as your putting in hard work with whatever instrument or tool you use thats hip hop. Hip Hop is about breaking the rules. You gotta use anything at your disposal to set you apart. For the most part we probably got, or are picking from the same records. So it dosent make sense to do the same thing over and over again, because as someone else said it will get boring.

MPC-Tutor wrote:I thought the whole point of electronic/dance/hip hop was that there are no rules - surely we leave that to the classical musicians?

Classical musicians have no rules. No one ever said oooopps its classical can't do that. that time has long past anyway. just my two bits

Toecutter wrote:I have to disagree, he goes through alot of trouble to make ELEVATED MUSIC. Listen to UNKLE "Psyence Fiction". A classic, and knows no boundaries. GUNS BLAZING: DRUMS OF DEATH PT. 1 is something I haven not heard in hip hop BEFORE it came out OR now, years AFTER. Time signatures are adjustable for a reason... rules are guidelines, not set in stone.

Toecutter you can cut my toes any time!!

Too bad that dj shadow makes instrumental music while hiphop producers make tracks that are supposed to give rappers a possibility to actually rap over them!

So something that sounds good in an instrumental track, is not sure to work with a vocalist.

Sketchman wrote:Too bad that dj shadow makes instrumental music while hiphop producers make tracks that are supposed to give rappers a possibility to actually rap over them!

So something that sounds good in an instrumental track, is not sure to work with a vocalist.

true, really some of the best hiphop tracks are just drums and bass, room for the mc. Really you could just spend all day sampling basses, and drums and thats all you need.

Dos, you DO know I cut the TOE not the Toenail right? If you let me record it and send it to the dudes from BUMFIGHTS we can get dough for records...

er jonloc classic musicians do have rules....tuning for example?

greg

dubmonkey: not necessarily. You can have different tunings as well. Church organs for example, are sometimes tuned according to a different scale than normal pianos.

digi your exactly right- it doesn't matter what the actual tuning system is whether its a normal western, a pure tuning, an arabian tuning or one of those wierd ones that wendy carlos uses its the fact that everyone has to play in the same tuning when playing together and therefore that is one rule of music....

fair enough you could have a piano in normal tuning and a guitar in a different tuning playing at the same time but it wont sound very good...

greg

dubmunkey wrote:digi your exactly right- it doesn't matter what the actual tuning system is whether its a normal western, a pure tuning, an arabian tuning or one of those wierd ones that wendy carlos uses its the fact that everyone has to play in the same tuning when playing together and therefore that is one rule of music....

fair enough you could have a piano in normal tuning and a guitar in a different tuning playing at the same time but it wont sound very good...

greg

kind of how kanye west sings flat and out of tune compared to a normal singer, but it sounds good with the rest of his music, haha.

i dont think kanye is as big over here cos i must of heard like 20 secs of one tune....sounds like he is all over the states.......

greg