Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

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Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By leonard-lee Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:16 am
i tried the resampler technique in the mpc2000xl. i have three files that i experimented with..

1. the original break
LILFEATKIT.WAV - 1.06MB

2. the break, resampled at 12bit 26.04kz on "low" (tried using the speeds of a sp1200)
LILFEA_2.WAV - 0.63MB

3. the break, pitched up in the mpc +15, resampled at 12bit 26.04khz on "low", then pitched down in the mpc -15
LILFEA_3.WAV - 0.63MB


the resampled sounds sound more distant, lower in pitch and volume. they also have this annoying ring on the kicks. didn't quite get the result using the resampler.

Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By stinktank Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:07 pm
leonard-lee wrote:3. the break, pitched up in the mpc +15, resampled at 12bit 26.04khz on "low", then pitched down in the mpc -15
LILFEA_3.WAV - 0.63MB



Uhh, I don't think the pitch setting has any effect on the sound being resampled.

If you're looking for that gritty sound, why not just sample vinyl in the first place?

Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By leonard-lee Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:56 pm
to be honest I couldn't tell the difference between the 2nd and the 3rd clip, the difference between the two is only the pitching done before and after resample. both resampled at the same rates. does the resample sound all ringy because I'm resampling a cd? the resample just sounds so shitty
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Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By mp3 Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:23 pm
Did you pitch it up and down by 15 semitones or 15 cents?

As to why it sounds bad, first that's the point, second we would need more details on your process.

Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By leonard-lee Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:12 am
mp3 wrote:Did you pitch it up and down by 15 semitones or 15 cents?

As to why it sounds bad, first that's the point, second we would need more details on your process.


+15 on the tune, so i think i only pitched it up by 15cents. it should be at 150 for 15 semitones (1/2 steps) right? if so, i fcked up on that third link.

the first link, i sampled from a cd into my mpc via record in.

the second link is a resampled version of the first link, resampled at 12bit, 26.04 khz and the setting on "low."

any ideas mp3 on the sound aesthetic? i don't think resampling is supposed to sound like this?
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Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By mp3 Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:27 pm
actually 1500 cents equals 15 semitones (100 cents equals 1 semitone). Can the 2kxl do that?

What did you use to resample at 12 bit 26.04khz? The 2kxl? I didn't know it was capable of that. Try setting the resampling quality to high or medium. If resampling just makes the pitch lower, then its probably not doing a true resample operation. It should come out with the same pitch, and a loss of high frequencies (and aliasing if the quality is set to low).

The ringing sound is called aliasing. Its what makes the SP1200 sound so unique. I think the quality setting should reduce or get rid of that.

I don't have a 2kxl so these are all educated guesses... Really you just need to keep experimenting.

Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By leonard-lee Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:50 pm
mp3 wrote:actually 1500 cents equals 15 semitones (100 cents equals 1 semitone). Can the 2kxl do that?

What did you use to resample at 12 bit 26.04khz? The 2kxl? I didn't know it was capable of that. Try setting the resampling quality to high or medium. If resampling just makes the pitch lower, then its probably not doing a true resample operation. It should come out with the same pitch, and a loss of high frequencies (and aliasing if the quality is set to low).

The ringing sound is called aliasing. Its what makes the SP1200 sound so unique. I think the quality setting should reduce or get rid of that.

I don't have a 2kxl so these are all educated guesses... Really you just need to keep experimenting.


shit, i dont think the 2kxl can pitch up to 15 semitones, i know my 2500 can.. hm.. maybe i should just try pitching as high as the 2kxl can go? i think its 999 cents.

i used the resample feature in the 2kxl. sampling at the high or medium does get rid of aliasing, i'll post up the newer sounds when i get back home for the weekend. however, when i set the setting to high and medium at 12bit 26.04khz, i can barely even hear a difference before, and after resampling. i'lll post up some examples to get your guys opinions on the difference this weekend.

so aliasing is a sound that some people want? that ringy aesthetic? i just want to know how to replicate older vintage samplers with my 2kxl via processing and sampling/resampling technique, but from my experiments with the resample in the 2kxl, it ain't happening.

i know im not using vinyl which highly contributes to quality hiphop sounds, but i feel like resampling/processing samples from cd sources should still have some of that sound i'm looking for...
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Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By mp3 Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:00 pm
Well its not all in the aliasing. The Sp1200 is really one of the only machines that has noticeable aliasing like that. Most other old school samplers just have a loss of high frequencies, a little grit, and an emphasis of certain frequencies.

I don't want to kill your aspirations, but if you're using your 2kxl to emulate older samplers, its gonna sound like a 2kxl emulating older samplers. That doesn't invalidate anything you're doing, it just means you will need to get one of those older samplers if you want that exact sound.

Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By leonard-lee Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:31 pm
for sure, i guess if i really want the real thing, i should check out the s950's. good looks on everyone for shedding some light. as a last concluding question, when i eventually cop a table and start sampling vinyl, does sampling sped up vinyl then pitching down in the mpc2000xl make a difference? not as much as the sp1200, but will it give an effect?

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Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By mp3 Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:07 pm
Yes. Not that I didn't answer that question several times.

The sped-up-record technique gives the sound a certain flavor. The sampler you use gives the sound a certain flavor. Two separate things. With what you're wanting to do, it will sound like sped up records being sampled into a 2kxl. Nothing wrong with that.
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Re: Sped up Vinyl Technique -> Sampler

By acekid Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:31 pm
leonard-lee wrote:
J.Daniels wrote:actually ive been doing that recently quite abit. Time stretch the sample, then resample it. and then stretch the new sample back to the original tempo. It gives a really grainy messed up sound.




can someone elaborate on this? i've done my searching/researching, but i'm still not quite confident if i have the concept correct. i have a 8 disc cd changer to sample from so i don't have the capability of a record player to speed up what i want to sample. if i already have the sample on my mpc at normal play speed, do i
1. speed up the sample using time stretch and save the sped up sample.
2. then re-timestretch the sped up sample back to a slower/original tempo?
3. could i also instead of re-timestretching, pitch down the sped up sample? what would be the difference between restretching slower and pitching down?

if this is possible with my setup, how many times do i speed up the sample? twice as fast (2x)?

is this method possible with my setup? or is the only way to achieve this result to actually have sped up vinyl before it goes into the MPC? after the sped up vinyl, do you pitch down or time-stretch slower the sample in the MPC? i'm doing this all so i can maybe get a little more lofi grit.

my bad if this is so many questions, i just some homies to shed some light



i think J.Daniels was talking about this. shown @ 5:00
Last edited by acekid on Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:09 am, edited 2 times in total.
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